“How Is ‘It’s Always Sunny…’ Still Does It and The Mysteries of ‘Silo’ on Apple TV+’”- Episode 165 – Transcript
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Taking It Down | Episode 165
Blaine:
Hey YouTube people, it’s us, it’s taking it down, it’s Donovan, he’s going to IKEA!
Donovan:
Well next Saturday.
Adam:
Donovan, as we attempted to plan logistics just to catch everybody up, Donovan said, I can’t move it to Saturday, the recording, I have to go to IKEA. And he said it so matter-of-factly, and it just killed me and Natalie. And honestly, Donovan, it is a great joy to imagine you making a practical IKEA trip.
Donovan:
I’ve done it before. It’s
Adam:
Alright.
Donovan:
horrible.
Blaine:
It is horrible.
Adam:
Do you go
Blaine:
It’s
Adam:
in
Blaine:
so
Adam:
with a mission?
Blaine:
bad.
Adam:
Like you said, you needed shells specifically.
Donovan:
Absolutely. I need bookshelves. That’s my mission.
Adam:
But you have to walk the whole thing, right?
Donovan:
That’s how they get you. Or more specifically, that’s how they get my wife.
Blaine:
Yeah,
Donovan:
Which
Blaine:
that’s
Donovan:
is why
Blaine:
it.
Donovan:
I’m no longer married.
Adam:
So when you go, this is like, how far are you traveling to go to the IKEA?
Donovan:
It’s about an hour, there’s one in New Haven. That’s
Blaine:
That’s
Donovan:
about
Blaine:
not
Donovan:
an hour
Blaine:
too bad.
Donovan:
for me.
Adam:
as the one in New Haven has to be easier than like the one that everybody in Manhattan goes to, right?
Donovan:
Oh
Adam:
I
Donovan:
lord,
Adam:
mean,
Donovan:
I can’t even imagine that.
Adam:
is
Donovan:
As
Adam:
it
Donovan:
immortalized
Adam:
a f-
Donovan:
in 30 Rock? Yeah, I think so.
Adam:
You know, Lee was talking about having to go to Ikea from when he lived in New York, like, just like you to get a handful of items that Ikea has the best price on for, you know, something you maybe don’t want to spend a lot of money on or in his case, like, how long is he really going to hang on to the stuff that he had when he was in the city, that kind of thing. And they have like a specific bus from Manhattan, like the Ikea bus takes you out. I’m sure anybody from New York is listening to this, like listen to these hicks talk about Ikea, but
Donovan:
amazing
Adam:
I mean,
Blaine:
Good.
Adam:
are you like, is this like gonna be your day? Like I went to Ikea?
Donovan:
It takes so damn long
Adam:
But
Donovan:
to
Adam:
Beth
Donovan:
get through
Adam:
is kind
Donovan:
that
Adam:
of,
Donovan:
stupid store.
Adam:
your wife is, it’s an outing.
Donovan:
It’s definitely
Blaine:
Yes it
Donovan:
an
Blaine:
is.
Donovan:
out.
Blaine:
It’s a full day trip and it’s a nightmare.
Adam:
Are you a good sport?
Donovan:
I mean, as long as I get my bookshelves.
Natalie:
and some meatballs.
Adam:
Do you get it? Do you snack?
Donovan:
No, absolutely not. That’s how they get you.
Blaine:
It’s out of the kitchen.
Adam:
They’ve already got you. Why would you not eat something while you’re there?
Donovan:
And the other thing is sometimes when we’re walking through I’m just like how many spatulas do I really need and you know actually last time I went there I bought a lamp and they had like special
Blaine:
How many spatulas
Donovan:
IKEA brand
Blaine:
do I
Donovan:
light
Blaine:
really
Donovan:
bulbs,
Blaine:
need?
Donovan:
right and I was like, whatever IKEA, I don’t need to buy your light bulbs, let’s just buy light bulbs at Walmart or whatever. Well they got me. One big light bulb I can screw in and that’s fine. The little light bulb however, nobody makes it in that size, but IKEA, I learned
Blaine:
Uh
Donovan:
my lesson.
Blaine:
huh. Mm-hmm.
Natalie:
horrified of what we’ve grown into.
Blaine:
Here we are.
Natalie:
Remember when we were young and we would do fun things on the weekend? And now we go on special trips
Donovan:
Hehehehe
Natalie:
to Ikea.
Adam:
I was forced into IKEA at a young age,
Blaine:
at
Adam:
like
Blaine:
a
Donovan:
That
Blaine:
young
Adam:
a
Donovan:
was
Adam:
full
Donovan:
it.
Blaine:
age.
Adam:
age. It was terrible.
Donovan:
That my favorite memory of that is you testing every bathroom to see how accurate it was. And that all the display books were Jonathan Franzen’s Freedom, but in Swedish.
Adam:
That I may have been over served at an Atlanta Braves game before going to Ikea.
Donovan:
Ha!
Blaine:
I love how you blame the servers.
Adam:
Well, the server
Natalie:
He over-served
Adam:
was…
Natalie:
himself.
Adam:
The server was me because you could… at that time you could take bottles of Coke
Blaine:
Can I have
Adam:
into
Blaine:
one
Adam:
the
Blaine:
more?
Adam:
game. You know, and so I poured most of the Coke out thinking that everybody might share some of the whiskey and they didn’t.
Donovan:
Jeff already had a full aquafina bottle of coconut rum.
Blaine:
Hey, that’s a great segue. That’s our listener of the week.
Donovan:
Hahaha
Adam:
Have fun!
Blaine:
Jefe, Jeff Hanson, on the road again, Jeff Hanson. The Willie Nelson of our friends. Where is Jeff? Dakotas? Coming back from the Dakotas? He was in Kansas City? I never know. It’s like when he, he must post his pictures out of chronological order because he’ll be in Kansas City and then British Columbia and then New York. I’m like, I don’t know where the hell he is.
Adam:
Well, he’s also traveling for work, which makes some of his,
Blaine:
Yeah.
Adam:
it feels like he moves a lot, which he does, but.
Blaine:
He does. Lovely Jeff. Jeff, I feel like I don’t talk to Jeff enough because he’s been on the road. It’s his summer and he’s been traveling. Good old Jeff.
Adam:
Stoking up the sun.
Blaine:
Soak up the sun. Guys, this is our 165th episode.
Adam:
It’s kinda hard to believe.
Donovan:
This
Blaine:
when it
Donovan:
task
Blaine:
started…
Donovan:
truly, oh sorry Blaine, I
Blaine:
Now
Donovan:
was just
Blaine:
go
Donovan:
gonna
Blaine:
ahead.
Donovan:
say this task truly is Sisyphean.
Blaine:
It’s never-ending when
Donovan:
Exactly.
Blaine:
it started it was me and random guest for like five or six episodes And then I think I was like and then Adam became very regular This is back when Adam was playing music so I had to get random guests. I think cuz he was in on day one
Adam:
back when I was playing music.
Blaine:
With regularity is what I meant, like
Adam:
with
Blaine:
on
Adam:
regularity.
Blaine:
the road.
Adam:
We
Blaine:
Alright.
Adam:
used to be a proper musician, not anymore.
Blaine:
For listeners and viewers, it’ll be viewers for YouTube. For your viewers, when you see Adam’s screen go blank, it’s because he left. He couldn’t take any more of this.
Donovan:
in a rage.
Blaine:
There he is, there he is. 165th
Adam:
just so you don’t see me cry
Blaine:
episode, I’m happy. I’ve had a lot of fun doing this. I know we don’t have the kind of listenership that other podcasts do, but if you listen, or if you’re watching on YouTube, that’s cool of you. Thanks. Not a bad week for TV. We’ll get into our usual stuff, our mission. What We Do In The Shadows just began, it’s fifth season. Donovan’s already chuckling and so am I.
Donovan:
It’s on a, it’s still on that streak, man. It’s on a hot streak.
Blaine:
Well, we’ll talk a little bit. We’ll just spend a couple minutes on it. No real talk on the first two episodes that are already aired. I think they’re gonna do two a week is how they’re
Donovan:
I think
Blaine:
gonna
Donovan:
so.
Blaine:
release
Donovan:
Did they
Blaine:
them.
Donovan:
do that last year? I feel
Blaine:
I
Donovan:
like
Blaine:
think
Donovan:
it
Blaine:
so.
Donovan:
was a very quick season last year.
Blaine:
Uh-huh. And they churn them out quickly. It’s like they’ll release one in March and then by April or June, April, May, June, the next year, they’ve gotten more released. So they can make these fast. Anyway, we won’t spoil the first two episodes at all. Donovan, what are you getting from it? A lot of enjoyment, I suppose.
Donovan:
Lot of enjoyment. Part of it is just like, here are these characters and actors that I’ve, like they’ve really established their quirks, so it’s like, okay, it’s very fun to see this. But also they keep kind of, it’s not like mind blowing or revolutionary, but like what they do with Colin Robinson in the first episode.
Blaine:
Hehehe
Donovan:
It’s a complete extension of his personality, but it also is just like, this is a good twist. This is a good joke. Also, I’m an incredible fan of Matt Berry
Blaine:
Yes,
Donovan:
and
Blaine:
and
Donovan:
his delivery of everything.
Blaine:
he’s shining even more these first two episodes.
Donovan:
Man, he’s hilarious.
Blaine:
Yeah, it’s a show that hits its marks nearly every episode. They know where to shift their characters, they know where to put them, and they also do this thing that they play a very long narrative arc over the course of five seasons about Guillermo, I won’t
Donovan:
Yes.
Blaine:
say much about that in case no one’s watched
Donovan:
Gizmo.
Blaine:
it. Gizmo who’s a fun, you know such a fun every one of these characters you don’t mind being on screen You know,
Donovan:
You
Blaine:
it’s
Donovan:
know,
Blaine:
not like there’s a downer moment
Donovan:
every once in a while they’ll do a joke that doesn’t land or that
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Donovan:
goes on too long
Blaine:
I
Donovan:
or
Blaine:
agree.
Donovan:
that, you know, it’s not perfect. But
Blaine:
Nope.
Donovan:
I think that like every overarching trajectory of the episode is always good.
Blaine:
I agree. I made a note here it says it feels like they do more than just sitcom shit and yet less than a dramedy that so many 30 minute shows have turned into and those comedies are also narrative but it also has some elements of that it’s just I mean look if you want every episode’s 25 minutes or less mostly um seasons are eight episodes sometimes 10 It’s just funny, like really funny.
Donovan:
and
Blaine:
At
Donovan:
it
Blaine:
times, like LOL funny, which is kind of hard to get out of me, but.
Donovan:
It definitely has the core of like, it’s about these vampires who instead of conquering the world live on Staten Island
Blaine:
Yeah.
Donovan:
and just do the same thing over and over again but are so awful and self-involved they don’t care.
Blaine:
Yes.
Donovan:
Also you know, they went to the Superb Owl with their
Blaine:
And
Donovan:
neighbor who loves
Blaine:
there are,
Donovan:
Laszlo his best friend.
Blaine:
don’t you think that living for eternity would make you oblivious?
Donovan:
Yeah,
Blaine:
Like
Donovan:
they’re
Blaine:
you
Donovan:
just
Blaine:
would
Donovan:
clueless.
Blaine:
be like, oh these humans, they only live for 200, 300 years.
Donovan:
Two, three hundred years.
Blaine:
Poor things.
Donovan:
It’s a tragedy.
Blaine:
I’ve never found Christian Shaw humorous on her own. So I’m going to give credit to the writing and the people who run the show because she as the guide is pretty funny.
Donovan:
Yeah.
Blaine:
She’s got some moments too. So.
Donovan:
And she’s definitely, I like her overall, but she’s struggled and stuff. Like, was it the last season of 30 Rock?
Blaine:
Oh wait, was she in it?
Donovan:
She just wasn’t written well in that, and it just
Adam:
terrible
Donovan:
kinda never
Adam:
character.
Donovan:
seemed to click. Yeah, never seemed to click.
Blaine:
Her own stuff like say the Daily Show when she was an occasional correspondent just wasn’t very funny. So that’s the example I can pull from. Anyway, if you haven’t watched What We Do in the Shadows, just wonderful, wonderful comedy. Top-notch. Maybe it could go down as one of the great comedies. You know, like I’m not going to say top three, but could it be a top 10 top 15 comedy in a few years? It very well could be. It’s that good. A lot of deep jokes or reoccurring things, you know, which are that’s so fun always. My buddy and adjacent Alabama take guy Kevin Halbrook went as Nandor as a Halloween one year and his I should send you a picture of him as dressed as Nandor it is spot on so um anyway good segue here let’s get into the show proper just a little youtube stuff to begin we’re in the show proper and speaking of comedies airing on Hulu and FX I know it’s not a trendy topic anymore but I wanted to talk about It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia. How it’s been so long running and it has sustained its hilarity. If you watch the YouTube version, we just got done talking about what we do in the shadows, which can probably sustain some hilarity depending on how long they wanna run. It’s Always Sunny though. I mean, I think I’ve talked in conversation with some people and have labeled it as a top five show ever. Like a lot of times when you get in those conversations you know you say I’m gonna put Twin Peaks, I’m gonna put Deadwood, I’m gonna put Mad Men, I’m gonna put the Sopranos and you kind of forget comedies. But you turn on an episode of It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia and if you’re a fan of it you’re gonna laugh. I mean there’s gonna be a moment where you will laugh maybe three four five six seven moments and I’ll open up the floor.
Donovan:
Is it the most, because it’s been going on for 16 seasons, is it like the most consistent TV show of the modern era or ever?
Blaine:
That’s
Donovan:
Because
Blaine:
what I,
Donovan:
the
Blaine:
that,
Donovan:
Simpsons can’t keep a streak like this.
Blaine:
Simpsons can’t, Simpsons are back, per New York Magazine, they had a great write up about how the Simpsons is very, very funny again, and they laid out their argument quite well, but It’s Always Sunny, it’s consistent.
Adam:
I wondered as
Blaine:
There’s
Adam:
you were
Blaine:
only
Adam:
talking…
Blaine:
one season that dropped, I think.
Adam:
Yeah, I wondered as you were talking in the fandom, which I’m not really familiar with outside of, you know, being a fan, but, you know, like in the Simpsons world, I know what seasons are favored and kind of where the falloff is generally considered to be. There’s really not that with Always Sunny, right?
Blaine:
Not really, there is that one, and I can’t, don’t, don’t hold me to this, it’s the season where they end up trapped in like this thing that’s sinking. It’s like three seasons ago. And it just felt like they didn’t have it in them. It was still pretty funny though. They might have even died or went to hell or almost died or something. It was something like that and like I said it’s been three or four seasons so I’ve kind of forgotten. It was not their greatest moment but it’s like they picked up the pieces from that and decided to just stick with what works.
Donovan:
And what works, in my opinion, is I have a secret weapon in Danny DeVito, who is excellent at being a disgusting little troll. Just, like there was, there was just an episode that Blaine suggested we watch, I watched from the season, I hadn’t started watching the season, so I watched a couple episodes. And one Blaine suggested we watch was, what was that, episode six? Risky Rats?
Blaine:
The gang goes to Risky Rats, or it’s just called Risky Rats
Donovan:
And
Blaine:
Pizza
Donovan:
there’s
Blaine:
Palace.
Donovan:
just a, it’s not even a joke involved with risk, but it’s like Frank is drinking from the water fountain by using like a paper fry
Blaine:
A
Donovan:
holder.
Blaine:
paper fry cup, yeah,
Donovan:
And a kid
Blaine:
for
Donovan:
comes
Blaine:
no
Donovan:
up,
Blaine:
reason.
Donovan:
he’s like, what are you doing? He’s like drinking water, what the hell are you doing? And just everything about it. Like Danny DeVito is perfect for that.
Blaine:
Yeah, the thing
Donovan:
killed
Blaine:
that amazes
Donovan:
me.
Blaine:
me with The Four of Us is Donovan, you were in on the ground floor.
Donovan:
Yeah.
Blaine:
Like, you, how
Donovan:
Like
Blaine:
do you
Donovan:
season
Blaine:
turn,
Donovan:
one.
Blaine:
yeah, how do you tune into that show without much warning or word of mouth happening? What
Donovan:
I honestly,
Blaine:
happened?
Donovan:
I honestly do not remember.
Blaine:
It was only
Adam:
I remember
Blaine:
like five
Adam:
it.
Blaine:
episodes, two the first season.
Donovan:
Yeah,
Adam:
There
Donovan:
it was
Adam:
was
Donovan:
very
Adam:
a fair
Donovan:
short.
Adam:
amount of buzz by season two. I feel like word
Blaine:
Yes.
Adam:
was out by the time it started.
Blaine:
But not season one.
Adam:
No, but
Blaine:
Frank
Adam:
I guess
Blaine:
wasn’t
Adam:
they had
Blaine:
even
Adam:
bounced
Blaine:
on the
Adam:
around.
Blaine:
show.
Adam:
Right, he’s on the last episode, right?
Donovan:
Yeah. Yeah, I have no idea how I got turned on to it.
Blaine:
That’s amazing. Uh, go ahead, Adam.
Adam:
It was also a bit like if you want to make like a coaching tree for TV shows, there’s a lot that goes back to arrested development.
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
I would argue a lot of comedies kind of came out of that, that style of how it shot, blah, blah. I wasn’t, when Donovan first turned it on, I don’t know that I had like the frame of reference to understand the show. You know, like people would say it’s like Seinfeld, and then you watch an episode if you’ve never seen Always Sunny before, you think this is nothing like Seinfeld. And as you continue watching, it starts to make more and more sense that it’s kind of set the bar for like how absurd and depraved and insane can we make mainstream comedy.
Blaine:
Yeah, I’m impressed that they tackle, especially early, and still, they tackle really taboo topics and they just do not give a shit.
Adam:
No.
Blaine:
And I’m here for that. There’s a…
Donovan:
Yeah,
Blaine:
..
Donovan:
I remember, I think it’s the second or third episode, Mac and maybe Charlie, it might be Dennis, but I think it’s Mac and Charlie, because that’s usually the pairing. Go to like a, like an anti-abortion rally so that Mac can pick up chicks, and he’s
Adam:
Yeah.
Donovan:
like, I’ve got a list of names of abortion doctors. And Charlie’s like, why are some crossed out? He’s
Adam:
Hahaha!
Donovan:
like, that way they’ll think I already did it.
Adam:
But they’re playing both sides, right? And they keep trying to
Donovan:
Oh
Adam:
climb
Donovan:
absolutely.
Adam:
that fence.
Blaine:
Right.
Donovan:
Well that’s what I loved, like talking about playing both sides, right? Like there was, again, in this Risky Rat episode where they go… any description of the plot just sounds insane, which I love. But
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Donovan:
when they go to the mannequin and find that it’s been defiled
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Donovan:
and it doesn’t have boobs anymore and Dennis is like, God damn libs! And then Charlie’s like, oh! It could be the religious conservatives too!
Blaine:
Yes!
Donovan:
He’s like, yeah, it could be. This
Blaine:
That
Donovan:
is great.
Blaine:
encapsulates their humor really well. I’m going to quote a tweet from Benny.Gay.
Donovan:
Hahaha
Blaine:
South Park gave an entire generation a particular flavor of brain rot that centers around the idea that taking anything seriously is by definition cringe. Meanwhile, It’s Always Sunny showed everyone how horrible people with South Park mentality are in practice.
Adam:
That’s
Blaine:
And
Adam:
it.
Donovan:
I love
Blaine:
I thought,
Donovan:
it,
Blaine:
wow.
Donovan:
yeah.
Adam:
South Park
Donovan:
Like
Adam:
did
Donovan:
we’re…
Adam:
not have a great week on Twitter.
Blaine:
Tell me more.
Adam:
Just a lot of people saying that its ultimate point is to reinforce the status quo. That anybody, the caring about anything is uncool. And they come from a very libertarian kind of place, fairly conservative, even though, you know, they hide it kind of beneath these gross out jokes or, you know, we’ll take on any taboo topic. And it kind of makes it seem like maybe they’re more progressive than they are. This is actually in
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
response to the, to the writer and actor strike that’s going on because they, I don’t know enough of the details to, to lay it out, but there’s an episode where they’re making fun of Canada and they released it during the last strike. Uh, and it’s totally anti-union, anti blah, blah. So
Donovan:
interesting.
Adam:
has not been a great week for them on progressive social media.
Blaine:
didn’t know that. It’s always Sonny some of their better episodes they don’t always have to do this but like the risky rat pizza and amusement was actually a lot about how kids culture changes with times and the effects it has on the adults I love
Donovan:
Absolutely.
Blaine:
that
Donovan:
I really loved
Blaine:
I’m
Donovan:
how…
Blaine:
fascinated by that topic like remember in the 80s when it was like this and now it’s in the 90s we did this and now it’s like yeah I love
Donovan:
I
Blaine:
that
Donovan:
really
Blaine:
shit
Donovan:
loved what they did where everyone in the gang is so, like they think the stuff that happened in Frank’s era was horrible, but then they’re trying to describe the things in their era and they think it’s just fine and normal. You know,
Blaine:
But it’s horrible.
Donovan:
when Dee’s like, you know, mostly ethic humor and Frank goes, ah, racist stuff.
Adam:
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Donovan:
She’s like, no, just like, who belongs, who doesn’t belong, it’s great.
Blaine:
Yeah, they
Donovan:
Also
Blaine:
went from
Donovan:
the
Blaine:
the
Donovan:
smash
Blaine:
paddling…
Donovan:
cut,
Blaine:
Oh, go ahead.
Donovan:
oh sorry, I was gonna say that the smash cut to Matt sullenly drinking a juice box in the timeout or the feelings
Blaine:
right.
Donovan:
room or whatever it is, great.
Blaine:
Because they went from paddling to time out to
Donovan:
Yes.
Blaine:
talking about the feelings in time out and Max says where’s the shame I’m supposed to be feeling?
Donovan:
Yeah.
Adam:
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Blaine:
If you don’t feel shame you don’t feel bad about yourself.
Donovan:
You don’t hate yourself enough to stop doing the shit
Blaine:
And
Donovan:
you were
Blaine:
that’s
Donovan:
doing.
Blaine:
a good boy. That’s how I was raised And that makes sense with where
Donovan:
Who is?
Blaine:
I am today The scene of with Charlie talking about how monsters should sound perfect is just How monsters should sound is really great for idiot fanboys who go online to complain about How ridiculous such things are like having a black little mermaid is as
Donovan:
I loved it when
Blaine:
of such correspondence here
Donovan:
he’s like, the whole character is offensive and Charlie doesn’t get it. And he’s like, oh, because you know, it was a white guy doing the voice. He’s like, oh,
Blaine:
Exit.
Donovan:
I get it. Representation is important in monsters.
Blaine:
Exactly. And they, this season, I don’t know if you guys have watched, how many episodes you’ve watched, but they’ve really managed to drop in some of your, the old characters that they use sporadically. And that’s just always fun.
Donovan:
Yeah, what is it, the bowling alley one? They’ve got,
Blaine:
Yes.
Donovan:
Dee’s team is like a who’s who of weirdos. But what’s her
Adam:
Ha
Donovan:
name,
Adam:
ha
Donovan:
Artemis
Adam:
ha.
Donovan:
is on it?
Blaine:
Artemis is on it as well as snail and
Donovan:
Ha ha
Blaine:
of course they The McPoyle brothers are running the bowling alley. I mean see just the names make you laugh. Yeah
Donovan:
BLEH
Blaine:
They just play with their mythos and it’s they do it without being nostalgic which I find
Donovan:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
interesting You know that when the McPoyles are on screen, you’re not thinking God, this is just a nostalgic drop. You’re just, you know, they’re just trying to milk it for what was happening 12 years ago. Not really. They’re just, they’re there in a totally different capacity other than being creepy and weird.
Adam:
Ha ha
Donovan:
You know, for me, the other standout episode of The Three I’ve seen was the one where they try and take Frank’s gun from him because he shot everyone. And
Blaine:
Brilliant.
Donovan:
it’s just,
Blaine:
The name of the episodes are so good too because
Donovan:
every
Blaine:
everyone
Donovan:
time
Blaine:
got
Donovan:
Frank
Blaine:
shot.
Donovan:
is just doing something stupid with his gun, it’s just like danger. It’s great. It sells it so, so completely.
Blaine:
This is a hard ask, but do you, do any of you have a favorite moment from any episode of the, because I’ve got mine, and I’m just curious if you guys have one that just really still makes you laugh.
Donovan:
of like the whole series
Blaine:
Yeah,
Donovan:
or this season.
Blaine:
yeah,
Donovan:
Oh
Blaine:
going
Donovan:
man, there’s
Blaine:
as back
Donovan:
so
Blaine:
as you
Donovan:
many.
Blaine:
want.
Donovan:
You know, honestly, there’s two that I always think of. One is the, no actually sorry, three. And they’re all cat related. One is the
Blaine:
Mm-hmm
Donovan:
cat mittens commercial.
Adam:
Kid Minns is an all-time great television
Blaine:
Dude,
Donovan:
Love
Adam:
mo-
Donovan:
it.
Blaine:
meme
Donovan:
The other
Blaine:
worthy.
Donovan:
one is when they start, they like lose a cat in the wall and they keep putting cats in the wall. So he’s like trying to get the cats out.
Blaine:
Yeah, yeah.
Donovan:
And then the third would be when Charlie’s like, says to Dee, like, walk a mile in my shoes. He makes her stay over at his place. And she’s
Blaine:
That’s
Donovan:
like, all
Blaine:
right.
Donovan:
right, like, you gotta, you gotta chug a beer and huff glue and eat this cat food really fast.
Blaine:
And then
Donovan:
It’s
Blaine:
drink
Donovan:
got a
Blaine:
whiskey.
Donovan:
chemical reaction that makes you feel really sick and really awful and you get really tired
Blaine:
Ha ha ha!
Donovan:
and you fall right to sleep.
Adam:
That is, to me, the funniest moment on the show.
Blaine:
Is it?
Donovan:
It’s like,
Blaine:
That was
Donovan:
you’re…
Blaine:
one of mine. Him eating the cat food and then drinking the whiskey or whatever really quickly so he doesn’t taste the cat food.
Adam:
Well, Frank comes in and does it, right?
Blaine:
Yes!
Donovan:
It
Blaine:
Without
Donovan:
just falls
Blaine:
asking.
Donovan:
into bed.
Adam:
rolling and holding his stomach.
Donovan:
Because there’s 50 feral cats outside yelling
Adam:
There’s cat
Donovan:
and
Adam:
food in it.
Donovan:
you don’t even know what that sounds like.
Blaine:
That, this season they revealed that there’s actually a room behind that. It’s just an empty
Donovan:
Uh-huh.
Blaine:
room. Charlie’s never used it. They’re sleeping together for no reason at all.
Adam:
That reminds
Blaine:
Eh.
Adam:
me of the when they’re fighting. And Frank, he keeps yelling at Frank when they’re going to bed. Frank, don’t go in the crevice. Don’t go in the crevice, Frank.
Donovan:
Yes! It’s like every it’s like this show is like ward of association too because it just Thinking about these make me think my other two favorite moments, which is uh when frank poops in the bed But they’re trying to figure out who did it
Blaine:
Hahaha
Donovan:
Who the mystery turn came from? And then the other one where Dennis
Adam:
I feel like you just summed up why Natalie hasn’t talked for the last five minutes.
Blaine:
Yeah, yeah, for Natalie.
Donovan:
where Dennis is eating cereal in his car and Frank is listening to directions of Charlie on tape and he rear ends Dennis and the gang has a trial and it comes out that Frank has a certificate specifically saying he doesn’t have donkey brains
Blaine:
No,
Donovan:
because
Blaine:
that’s
Donovan:
he felt
Adam:
Hehehehe
Blaine:
right.
Donovan:
it and Charlie’s his
Blaine:
It goes
Donovan:
lawyer
Blaine:
to the
Donovan:
and he’s
Blaine:
hospital.
Donovan:
like does my, does my, does Dennis have such a certificate? Okay, I
Blaine:
That
Donovan:
better
Blaine:
does
Donovan:
stop
Blaine:
take me
Donovan:
now.
Blaine:
to my favorite and I still makes me laugh. I saw it I guess on Instagram reels someone posted it for some reason and it’s Frank took over a tourist boat or bus was it a boat
Adam:
Oh yeah.
Donovan:
Pffft Hehehehehehe
Blaine:
of a lot of Chinese Japanese people, you know and he’s just on the radio and He doesn’t know what to say. He never has had any social experiences that are appropriate. And he says, uh, what do I like to do? I like banging whores.
Donovan:
No!
Blaine:
Uh, and it’s just like, why would you say that? Anyway.
Adam:
all of mine involved Charlie in some way.
Blaine:
Charlie?
Donovan:
Charlie
Adam:
Yeah.
Donovan:
work.
Blaine:
Good choices. Mine
Adam:
When
Blaine:
involve
Adam:
they…
Blaine:
Frank, usually.
Adam:
Frank is a good… I mean, Frank coming out of that sofa that time is,
Blaine:
Naked?
Adam:
yeah, a great
Blaine:
Yes.
Adam:
moment in physical comedy history. I can’t remember… They’re trying to treat Charlie one day, like, make a really great day for Charlie. And Dee is like, I’m going to take you to the spa. and he’s never heard the word spa before. He keeps thinking that she’s trying to say spaghetti. And so for the rest of the episode, he insists that they go and get spaghetti and he’s just eating to go spaghetti through the rest of the show.
Blaine:
Well he can’t read.
Adam:
Right.
Blaine:
Yeah. Oh man. I mean there’s so much to go on. The fact that Max’s dad hates him, but he adores, I mean, pick any plot. Like Dennis is probably a serial killer.
Donovan:
Yeah!
Blaine:
Um.
Adam:
I mean, talking about Mac and his arc, the genius of the show is that you can start, you know, when he gained all that weight on purpose,
Blaine:
Oh my,
Adam:
to
Blaine:
yeah.
Adam:
say like, people intentionally or people not intentionally become better looking the longer they’re on TV. I’m going to gain all this weight. We’ll make jokes about it. To go from him eating the rum ham with Frank. That kind of starts that and then the arc ends with his dance thing when he’s like shredded again.
Blaine:
And the
Adam:
And
Blaine:
dance
Adam:
the dance
Blaine:
thing
Adam:
thing
Blaine:
was…
Adam:
is genuinely emotionally
Blaine:
Yes.
Adam:
affecting. How does the show pull that off?
Blaine:
I’m glad you said that. Yeah, the dance thing is worth mentioning because he comes out via the dance to his dad and I think to Frank and the others, but they kind of knew it.
Adam:
I mean,
Blaine:
And
Adam:
I
Blaine:
it’s…
Adam:
remember Frank being very affected by it and having
Blaine:
Yeah,
Adam:
like
Blaine:
well,
Adam:
a, there were real human moments there.
Blaine:
he brings it up this season. Yeah, he talks about, you know, they say Frank, you know, Frank disparages gay people, and he says, no, I’m on board with them since I saw the dance, I understand it now.
Adam:
Yeah.
Blaine:
And it’s a nice moment.
Adam:
Natalie, do you have anything redeeming to say about Always Sunny? I feel like this was always
Donovan:
I’m
Blaine:
Do
Adam:
when
Blaine:
you
Adam:
you
Blaine:
watch
Adam:
were rolling
Blaine:
it?
Adam:
your eyes in the corner when
Donovan:
sorry.
Adam:
I
Blaine:
I
Adam:
watched
Blaine:
was making
Adam:
it.
Blaine:
the… I was running on the assumption that you just don’t watch it.
Natalie:
I mean, I don’t, but it’s because I think it’s a good, I think it’s funny. I think it’s written really well. I think it’s clever. I have no problems with the actual stories. I cannot stand the yelling over each other constantly. Like that is such a turn off that even, even if like I want to follow a storyline cause I like where it’s going, I just can’t. Like it just, it gives me so much anxiety that I have to turn it off and walk away.
Adam:
She is
Blaine:
That
Adam:
an
Blaine:
That’s
Adam:
anti-stress TV viewer, as we established
Blaine:
weed
Adam:
last week.
Blaine:
we know this well about our Natalie to hey Natalie you You’re not the only one to point that out though Like I have that like that’s kind of like a running joke about how if a bunch of people are yelling at the same time Somebody will say this is an always sunny episode so
Natalie:
Yeah.
Blaine:
I Interesting oh man. I can’t get enough of it. I always get so cheerful when it when it revs up a new season. Let’s take a break on the other side of the break. We’ll talk about Silo from Apple TV Plus. We will talk about Secret Invasion’s most recent episode. That might be a YouTube special. We’ll figure it out. So last week I briefly brought up Silo on Apple TV Plus, gave it a meek recommendation at the time. I’d only watched one or two episodes. The show, we’re gonna spoil for four of the 10 episodes, the first four. Be forewarned, but before we do, stick around and see if it’s for you. The show is a science fiction drama TV series, obviously, created by Graham Yost, based on the Wall series? I think I’m getting that right. A series of novels. Wall? I think Donovan’s nodding, so…
Donovan:
I’ve seen it in Barnes and Noble.
Blaine:
Okay cool.
Donovan:
Like
Blaine:
Is
Donovan:
I’ve
Blaine:
it
Donovan:
never
Blaine:
uh…
Donovan:
read it, but I think you got it right.
Blaine:
There you go, my next question. Did you uh, is it a recent series of books?
Donovan:
Recent-ish, right? Well, I say
Blaine:
I don’t
Donovan:
recent.
Blaine:
know.
Donovan:
I mean, I say that now, and you know, it could have been any time within the last 15 years, I guess.
Blaine:
I author
Donovan:
I can look
Blaine:
Hugh
Donovan:
it up.
Adam:
That’s
Blaine:
that’s
Adam:
recent
Blaine:
fine.
Adam:
in book terms.
Donovan:
Yeah, that’s
Blaine:
Yeah in
Donovan:
true.
Blaine:
book terms it can
Donovan:
Yeah,
Blaine:
be.
Donovan:
like fairly recent, fairly
Blaine:
Hugh
Donovan:
recent.
Blaine:
Howey is the author of the novels. It’s a set of them apparently. The setting is a dystopian future seems to be where community exists in this giant underground silo hence the name. I think it’s 144 levels. Stars Rebecca Ferguson as Juliet. She’s an engineer who becomes entangled in the mysteries of A murder or two and then like their habitat as well. She kind of is Trying to piece together what the hell’s going on big and small Okay Uh, none of us have familiarity with the books Right Neither do I. I didn’t even know it was a set of books. I just started the show and then, you know, the end credits tell you based on the book. So, we’re at least four episodes deep here. Comic spoilers, probably. I think we can all recommend it. Adam seemed in a text message to be kind of digging it. So I’m gonna let Adam and Natalie pick it up from here. Just what they’re thinking and then we’re gonna get spoilers really soon. So just be forewarned.
Adam:
I like a good world building show. I’m interested in where it goes from, I guess we don’t have to get into spoilers yet, but that’s my opening compliment. Why I dug it was I enjoyed the world that it was living in and it felt like a promising setup. Sometimes you feel a little constrained, maybe with something like that, where it could almost be a play. you know, that’s so small, but
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
it feels expansive enough as people go up and down the silo, the different levels that, yeah, I’m into it. And whatever the mystery is has been kept vague enough yet intriguing enough. That can be a frustrating thing, you know? Because the question is, obviously, why are they stuck in here? What’s it really like outside? And they’re teasing that enough to keep me interested.
Natalie:
I think too, in addition to, I mean it’s a world building, it’s obviously got some dark themes with murder mystery type of stuff. But it doesn’t feel difficult, it still feels like pretty light, easy to watch. At least to me, I mean it feels, I told Adam when we watched the first couple of episodes, it feels like a very highly produced episode of Doctor Who, which to
Adam:
Yes.
Natalie:
me is great. It’s just, it doesn’t feel, I guess, just heavy. You know, it’s just an enjoyable, still mystery-ish thing, but it’s entertaining. I’m into it.
Adam:
This is 100% a setup that a doctor could have accidentally stumbled into.
Blaine:
Okay, it’s definitely filmed on the Disney World set of Galaxy’s Edge, the Star Wars set. If you’ve ever visited it, it looks a lot like this
Adam:
Really.
Blaine:
place. Yeah, it does. Dingy, very stone, everything built
Adam:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
with like this concrete and stone look and
Adam:
I mean, that
Blaine:
old.
Adam:
may be part of why I’m enjoying it, is I just like the aesthetic.
Blaine:
It’s got an aesthetic. I found in around episode five that the aesthetic gets a little claustrophobic. You start to wish they could go somewhere. And that’s not a spoiler in the least, but just… I’m curious how they will work around that or if they just don’t or they continue to let that be a motif because that would make sense too.
Adam:
Well, not to get into… Can we get into spoilers here?
Blaine:
Let’s do it. Let’s get in spoilers episodes 1 through 4.
Adam:
I think just to make the point about the potential claustrophobic feelings, when Juliet does go into where the original drill was and is dangling over the water, the promise of figuring all that out is kind of like the release valve on the claustrophobia to me.
Blaine:
Uh huh.
Adam:
That they’re… there’s the potential of something outside, of course, but there’s also more mystery in the space itself. And the way that people from different levels talk about the other levels, I mean, there’s a sociological component, but it also makes it feel bigger than it probably really is.
Blaine:
Yeah, it’s huge. It takes like a day or two to get to from top to bottom.
Adam:
Right. I’m all in on the drill cavern, the lake, whatever’s down there. It felt very similar to some moments in Lodge 49. I don’t
Blaine:
Really?
Adam:
know if it made you think of that, Natalie, where… But that one is almost… I mean, I love that show, and it’s on a different level from this one so far. But that one was like a cosmic portal situation potentially, and this feels a little bit more grounded than that.
Blaine:
when she gets to that cavern it is breathtaking in its immensity
Adam:
Yes.
Blaine:
and you’re right it does contrast the their habitats and their apartments that they have to live in
Adam:
Donovan reminds me a bit of a book that you recommended to me, Piranesi.
Donovan:
Yeah.
Blaine:
How so?
Adam:
Well, the setup there is someone is in a mysterious place that just seems… vast, but it is a different setup, but it feels a bit… How would you describe that, Donovan? It’s not subterranean, but it’s…
Donovan:
It’s vast and cavernous and improbable, but also the guy chronicling it just records everything so matter-of-factly that it has, there’s almost that like good dissonance of
Adam:
Right.
Donovan:
like, how could this be and what isn’t?
Adam:
almost feels like a dreamscape.
Donovan:
Yeah.
Adam:
Like in that one, there are tides in the area that they’re in because there’s ocean waves and all this kind of stuff. So it’s not on that same level, but the setup of people being somewhere and not really understanding why, but not questioning it that often feels similar.
Blaine:
That’s what’s… that is definitely what’s happening here. There’s this pervasive idea throughout all of the episodes that if you hide information and you’re the one that gets to hide it you’re the one in power. That’s a pretty common theme in literature and shows. I like what they’re doing with it. That’s really cool. It’s done well. It’s comfortably complex.
Adam:
Right.
Blaine:
I think that’s what Natalie was getting at. There’s a complexity to it that makes you wanna watch the next episode, but you’re not like throwing your hands in the air and saying, fuck this, I can’t understand what they’re doing.
Adam:
There’s been a few, just to blatantly spoil, the end of episode four, when she gets the file on her deceased boyfriend
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
and they treat it like a reveal and we didn’t totally understand why that was treated as a reveal. Like, has she learned new information there? There are a few things about the way that the bureaucracy inside the silo works that make you think of checks and balances or maybe more like a… late stage soviet people fighting each other kind of thing.
Blaine:
Yeah, oh that’s nice, that’s a good comparison.
Adam:
I don’t know that I’ve fully tracked all of that.
Blaine:
Well that was interesting,
Natalie:
Nothing.
Blaine:
I’m glad you brought that up. That episode ended and I thought to myself, I guess kinda like you did, like what an odd place to end an episode because it didn’t feel like special.
Natalie:
Well, I think too, this isn’t quite what you’re saying. That like, did we miss something? This seems like it’s been being treated as something really important, but we don’t know what it is. I think there’s also been, like in the first episode, when it’s revealed that she clearly, when she had her birth control removed, and then clearly she didn’t have her birth control removed, that was so skated over. I thought that was very strange. Like just a giant plot hole that everybody was like, Okay, whatever. I don’t know if it, it doesn’t seem like they’re coming back to that. Maybe they will, but it just seemed like a very heavy thing for them to just treat so casually.
Blaine:
Yeah.
Natalie:
I was confused about that choice just to not even react to that.
Adam:
Well,
Blaine:
Yeah,
Adam:
I mean, that’s
Blaine:
like…
Adam:
part of the recurring statement, listen to your wife, right?
Natalie:
But it wasn’t just her husband that saw it. I mean, I don’t know. It was weird. I thought that was a weird choice.
Blaine:
Okay that answers my question. I was going to say wasn’t it just the sheriff, her husband, who saw it?
Adam:
I mean, she did go into the cafeteria, right?
Blaine:
Oh,
Adam:
The
Blaine:
okay.
Adam:
Rashida Jones character, but I don’t know. Somebody walked in, covered in blood who was, and it seems like everybody knows everybody’s business and would have known that they were, have just failed their third and final attempt at having a kid. So I could see the community thinking, this is a person in emotional distress, maybe
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
not. in sound mind or
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
whatever.
Blaine:
And she asked to go outside, which is also proof that she might not be seen.
Adam:
Right.
Natalie:
But even if it was just her husband, that’s beyond listen to your wife. She knew it was gonna be an issue, so she presented physical proof. How does he not just ask somebody? Like, hey, what’s this about?
Adam:
But then…
Blaine:
I think there’s a fear of asking too much. I think
Adam:
Yeah.
Blaine:
he’s scared of judicial.
Adam:
I think that even a lot of them see when the power goes out briefly, the
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Adam:
screen changes and nobody really raises a stink but they all look and they almost look like they wish they hadn’t seen it.
Blaine:
That’s a question that they seem to have tucked away for now, where I am. I know I’m one episode ahead, but it’s not that big of a jump. That they want to tuck away the whole what’s going on outside, I think for the betterment of the show, because what they’re investigating now is pretty interesting. We’ll go ahead and ask the million dollar question of the show. What do you guys think? Is it? Is it okay outside? Is the screen they’re looking at in the astronaut kind of suit, does it project a nicer view so that they will clean in hopes that everybody will see how nice it is? I mean are they pumping them with gas and kills them? What’s your theory on what happens when they go outside? You got plenty of options you know.
Natalie:
Feels too early to have a theory. We know
Blaine:
Okay.
Natalie:
so little.
Blaine:
Yeah, I’ve just seen so many message boards after episode one and two just be like, oh, well, the screen that they see in the mask is fake, or it’s somehow controlled and they’re not seeing reality.
Adam:
once they’re out there.
Blaine:
Mm-hmm. It’s too picture-perfect. I will say that. I mean it is
Adam:
Yeah.
Blaine:
a bright blue sky. It is really green
Natalie:
Well, and it’s the, I don’t know if, when she was watching the screen, when she went down to do her IT work and they were looking at the hard drive,
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Natalie:
you could see the reflection of the flying V of the birds flying by, and then
Adam:
Mm-hmm.
Natalie:
that’s exactly what they saw when they go out. So it’s like, yeah, maybe it is, maybe that is a projection for them and not for real people.
Adam:
like
Natalie:
Real
Blaine:
You get.
Natalie:
people.
Adam:
a last mercy because they know they’re gonna die so they see something beautiful.
Natalie:
Yeah, here’s some euphoria. Feel better about your situation.
Blaine:
The message board theory is they put the very beautiful nature on that screen in their helmet so that they will want to clean.
Adam:
Right.
Blaine:
So they’ll be like, look, it’s actually nice out here. We’re okay, come out. They’ll clean, because they can’t hear them. There is a possibility that it’s pretty desolate and barren out there, but it’s also okay to live after 144 years. But
Adam:
Right.
Blaine:
if you let people go, you lose control over who’s in charge.
Adam:
Right. It seems like a lot of people, I mean, regardless of what the truth is, there are people who want power and there are a larger number of people who don’t want to exist through a shake up because shake ups are scary.
Blaine:
True. Let’s
Natalie:
Is
Blaine:
try
Natalie:
the
Blaine:
to…
Natalie:
girl’s accent distracting to anybody else?
Blaine:
She drops that accent here and there and then she brings it up again. Is she Irish?
Natalie:
She’s Scandinavian.
Adam:
Swedish,
Natalie:
Yeah.
Adam:
right?
Blaine:
Wow, I’d never heard of this actress.
Natalie:
Yeah, neither.
Adam:
Anyway, yeah, she’s pretty good.
Blaine:
Big role for her though.
Adam:
The
Blaine:
She’s
Adam:
classic
Blaine:
cute.
Adam:
streaming era bait and switch of, oh, Rashida Jones is in this program. No, she’s not.
Blaine:
Mm-hmm or Oscar winner David O’Yelobo. Yeah
Adam:
Or Tim Robbins is in it and he doesn’t show up until, what, episode three? Something like that.
Natalie:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
in a bit in his bigger roles yeah I like him and I like him in this role and you’ll see
Adam:
Yeah.
Blaine:
you guys will see a little bit more why in episode 5 let’s map it out just a little we kind of already have and then that’ll give us a moment to wind down the conversation here so the idea here is they’re living in a silo it’s 144 stories at the very bottoms engineering Mysteriously below that and only a few people know is the huge drill we’re talking. Empire State Building sized drill maybe that created the place. No one hardly knows about it. Maybe two people. You’ve got David Oyelowo as the sheriff. His wife’s an IT lady. She goes to help that might reveal more than anyone would want to know. and she finds it out she decides suddenly that we’re being lied to my birth control still in me she cuts it out she volunteers to go outside because she thinks she can live she dies seemingly and david oh yellow bow after a little while decides i’m gonna do the same thing as sheriff i’m gonna volunteer to go out because i want to be with my wife um he’s since hooked up with the engineer juliet She’s shown him the cavern shown him some relics from way back when That’s what I’ve got mapped out so far. What am I missing? Once he’s gone, he asks that Juliet become sheriff in his place. He left a note. And so she’s going to take up the mantle of sheriff. Sheriff reports to the mayor. Mayor seems to report to judicial.
Adam:
but also have some autonomy.
Blaine:
Also has some autonomy to do things like put on parades, make some bigger decisions than that.
Adam:
Pick the sheriff.
Blaine:
Pick the sheriff. Where are
Adam:
Mayor
Blaine:
you?
Adam:
dies.
Blaine:
Okay, that’s why it was my question. You’ve seen the mayor die. She had been mayor for 40 something years. Everybody loves her, beloved mayor. The guy, I forget his name, is his name. Forget the actor’s name, but the deputy?
Natalie:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
He is so good. You’ll see him in occasional things, usually westerns or… Hey,
Adam:
You want to whoop that?
Blaine:
Will Patton.
Adam:
Yeah.
Blaine:
Yeah, you knew him. Where do you recognize him from?
Adam:
Well, he actually does a lot of audiobooks. He’s very good at it.
Blaine:
No way. That makes perfect sense.
Adam:
And he was, this confuses me a lot as someone in the generation that was shown, remember the Titans,
Blaine:
That’s right.
Adam:
at every
Natalie:
Oh
Adam:
opportunity, he was coach Yoast. And so every time it says Graham Yoast on the screen as, you know, in the credits or whatever, I get confused because that, Will Patton’s not Graham Yoast, you know, but he
Blaine:
Uh,
Adam:
is
Blaine:
uh,
Adam:
coach Yoast in my head.
Donovan:
Please tell me.
Blaine:
uh I always bring up the postman on this show. No one’s seen the fucking postman but me.
Donovan:
I’ve been warned away from it.
Blaine:
He was
Donovan:
Was
Blaine:
the
Donovan:
Kevin
Blaine:
villain
Donovan:
Costner
Blaine:
in…
Donovan:
in Waterworld 2? That was pretty
Blaine:
Yeah.
Donovan:
bad
Blaine:
Uh… I
Donovan:
all the time. Yeah, what
Blaine:
don’t
Donovan:
is wrong
Blaine:
know.
Donovan:
with him?
Adam:
Are
Donovan:
Just
Adam:
we
Donovan:
bad
Adam:
about to…
Donovan:
choices.
Adam:
don’t disparage water world, Donovan.
Blaine:
Don’t disparage Kevin Costner to me, friend. No, Will Patton is also the villainous type character in Outer Range, which came out last year. Josh Brolin
Adam:
Hmm.
Blaine:
show on Amazon Prime.
Adam:
Yeah, I didn’t
Blaine:
He’s
Adam:
know that.
Blaine:
really good in the it too. Will Patton’s just good, man. Anyway.
Adam:
If you ever have an itch to listen to Dennis Johnson’s Train Dreams, Will
Blaine:
No.
Adam:
Patton will be the voice that guides you through it. It’s wonderful.
Blaine:
I didn’t know you were an audiobook guy.
Adam:
I’m usually not. A specific kind of book, nonfiction, is fair game, and a specific kind of fiction. And I had read Train Dreams a couple of times, and some buddies were reading it, and it was a short listen. So I’ll listen while I run, do that sort of thing.
Blaine:
About five minutes.
Adam:
It really is less than, uh…
Blaine:
Less
Adam:
That’s
Blaine:
than
Adam:
probably
Blaine:
30?
Adam:
a couple hours, something like
Blaine:
Oh.
Adam:
that.
Blaine:
Um… Man, I had a really good question. It was audiobook related. Audiobooks seem to be more, if you like the narrator, go find what they read. Rather than, if you like the book.
Adam:
Yeah, I would agree with that. Like
Blaine:
It’s a different genre.
Adam:
Andy Serkis doing Lord of the Rings is very good.
Blaine:
Really?
Adam:
Yeah.
Blaine:
Maybe that’s how I should digest Lord of the
Adam:
Maybe,
Blaine:
Rings.
Adam:
sir.
Blaine:
I just can’t keep my brain on track of an audio. You know with
Donovan:
I have
Blaine:
a
Adam:
You
Blaine:
book
Adam:
gotta
Donovan:
that truck.
Blaine:
you
Adam:
be
Blaine:
can
Adam:
doing
Blaine:
go b-
Adam:
something pretty, you gotta be running or driving or, people who just listen to audiobooks all the time, I can’t really do that. I have to be doing something that could be described as monotonous, you
Blaine:
Monotnes
Adam:
know?
Blaine:
are brainless.
Donovan:
Yeah, I could only do it when I was driving or exercising, and even then I would still, you know, just lose focus.
Blaine:
Yes, same here. With a book you can go back and look at the page you kind of forgot
Donovan:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
or too. Yeah.
Adam:
That’s the thing, if it’s of a certain, it has to be of a certain narrative quality for me to go with an audio book. I would never have consumed Train Dreams for the first time
Blaine:
Right.
Adam:
via audio book.
Blaine:
Maybe that’s what I should do. You can consume something I’ve already read as a reread because I don’t reread books. That’s interesting.
Donovan:
You know, I did Norwood as an audiobook
Blaine:
Yeah.
Donovan:
when I had to drive more. It was about six hours. The narrator was good and I knew all the beats. So it made me laugh. That
Blaine:
Do
Donovan:
was
Blaine:
you
Donovan:
pretty
Blaine:
know who
Donovan:
pleasant.
Blaine:
narrated it?
Donovan:
No idea!
Blaine:
I hope.
Donovan:
I mean, I guess I could look it up, but yeah,
Blaine:
Norwood
Donovan:
I don’t know.
Blaine:
by
Donovan:
Heh.
Blaine:
Raz.
Donovan:
Heh heh
Adam:
Perfect.
Blaine:
Yeah.
Donovan:
heh. The Raz of the South.
Blaine:
We’re going to come to the end of our audio. If you’re a podcast listener and you listen to us in some sort of podcast app, thanks. This is technically the end of our show. But if you prefer more, if you like us, if you like hanging out with us, we like hanging out with you. We’re going to put our Secret Invasion talk on YouTube and it’ll just be at the end of this. Thanks everyone. Alright, we’re gonna talk a little secret invasion and I bet you that not Natalie Adam will dip. Is that what you’re doing?
Adam:
I’m gonna let y’all have it. I still haven’t seen an episode.
Donovan:
Yeah,
Blaine:
It’s
Donovan:
I’ve
Blaine:
fair.
Donovan:
only seen
Natalie:
You
Donovan:
the
Natalie:
don’t
Donovan:
first
Natalie:
want to be
Donovan:
one.
Natalie:
spoiled or…
Blaine:
Okay, well you two guys have a good week. We’ll see you guys soon.
Donovan:
Alright.
Natalie:
forever.
Blaine:
Hehehe Alright, so the fourth episode of Secret Invasion is called Beloved. I’ll just give it a little rundown here, so spoilers. I’m about to say what happened. We got a flashback to 2012. Seems like it’s right after the Avengers stuff. Nick Fury’s in Paris with what’s his girlfriend at the time, or she’s about to be. Turns out her name’s Priscilla. She becomes his wife. We find out in this episode she’s a scroll sleeper agent. Probably. Right?
Natalie:
Yeah,
Blaine:
Okay.
Natalie:
seems that way.
Blaine:
She seems to have been all along and boy that is the long game.
Natalie:
No kidding.
Blaine:
Uh, yeah. But she also seems to be fond of Nick Fury in a way. You get the reading of the way she’s portraying him. She liked him anyway.
Natalie:
She doesn’t seem upset about what she had to do.
Blaine:
Right.
Natalie:
Live this life with a person.
Blaine:
Yeah, the episode cuts to present day and the rest of it takes place in said present day where Fury and Talos are tracking down graphic he is now a super scroll and He’s got powers that are kind of interesting and cool This is where you know if you’ve been waiting for your Marvel elements here you go Gravick’s gonna assassinate the president to start World War III probably in hopes so that the millions of scrolls who are laying in wait can take advantage of the war and just take over the world and it’ll be theirs. Is that what you get from it?
Natalie:
Yeah. Decimate the humans, let them do it themselves.
Blaine:
Yeah, the classic let them fight. Similar approach to Ultron, kind of.
Natalie:
Yeah.
Blaine:
I got a couple notes, but it was a pretty straightforward episode. Are you much of a Raymond Carver reader?
Natalie:
Uh, no.
Blaine:
That opening scene they quote Raymond Carver to each other and I thought man that is some sort of choice. It’s kind of cool in an intelligent little way because Raymond Carver is kind of known for these very simple relationship kind of narratives, short stories where there’s something really not good going on underneath but you never know. You just get the
Natalie:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
vibe. And I thought man that’s. That’s Fury and his wife at that moment. Like Raymond Carver’s married characters often have issues beyond the superficial, yeah. And then they call back quoted. I thought that might’ve been a little bit overkill, but I thought still, it’s good.
Natalie:
pretty good for Disney.
Blaine:
It’s not bad for a Marvel show. And then you have the Peppy Van Winkle.
Natalie:
That was weird.
Blaine:
That was weird. It’s not $5,000 for- for Peppy Van Winkle, is it?
Natalie:
I have no idea. I know people pay a lot of money for it. Maybe not from the store, but
Blaine:
Yeah,
Natalie:
resale value.
Blaine:
resell values probably 5,000. That’s what I was thinking. I was just wishing they would clarify that because I was under the assumption it’s like 200 bucks or something.
Natalie:
Yeah, I don’t know.
Blaine:
Our listener Jeff, listener of the week,
Natalie:
Who’ll know?
Blaine:
Jefe, I bet he owns a bottle. Jefe, if you own a bottle, what’d you pay for it?
Natalie:
And can I have some?
Blaine:
And Natalie wants a drink. Yeah, apparently it’s good. I saw a thing on like Facebook or something. I follow like commentbook.com or something and they one of their headlines this week was is Pappy Van Winkle real? And I was like, yeah, it’s, I
Natalie:
Yeah.
Blaine:
actually know that one. Um, I’m a fan of the acting choices I’m assuming will give credit to Samuel L Jackson here rather than the director. He does some really cool code switching when he talks to fake roadie. It’s like other buddies.
Natalie:
Mm-hmm.
Blaine:
Like they’ve worked together. They’re also two black men that know each other and it’s just like code switch. Good choice. So these smaller details are what you and I were talking about last week that this show’s kind of getting right. You know?
Natalie:
Yeah, I mean, I can’t be mad at it. I don’t
Blaine:
I
Natalie:
know
Blaine:
yik.
Natalie:
why. I’ve seen so many, this is the one show I’m not, I’m not looking at the reviews really. I’m just, because all the headlines I see seem to want to hate it and they seem still pretty negative.
Blaine:
Mm-hmm.
Natalie:
But I honestly think this one is, it’s doing the spy thing in a fun way. I’m not mad at it.
Blaine:
Yeah, yeah. See I’m of the opinion that I don’t think it’s doing Spy thing great, but I think it’s doing a little things nicely.
Natalie:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That makes it all work.
Blaine:
I will say the Talos death, assuming he’s dead, hit more than the Agent Hill one for me.
Natalie:
Yeah, I was pretty upset about that. Not
Blaine:
Yeah.
Natalie:
like emotionally because I’m a robot, but just upset not to see Mendelsohn again.
Blaine:
Yeah
Natalie:
That’s a
Blaine:
that
Natalie:
bummer.
Blaine:
was that was me I guess because um Kobe Smallers was used very infrequently throughout the whole Marvel thing so when
Natalie:
But
Blaine:
you
Natalie:
we’re
Blaine:
kill
Natalie:
working
Blaine:
her
Natalie:
with shapeshifters here. All these characters here, all the faces can come back.
Blaine:
Very true. Yep, you’ll see the actress again maybe. Assuming he’s dead, there’s also a good chance that Rhodey is dead because that’s a scroll.
Natalie:
Yeah, yeah for sure. I thought about that. I was wondering if maybe in the next episode they’ll just do like a brief walk by in that hallway where they keep all their doppelgangers and maybe he’ll be up on the wall.
Blaine:
Oh
Natalie:
Still
Blaine:
yeah,
Natalie:
alive but just plugged in.
Blaine:
that would keep him alive. I’m for it in a way because I understand realistically you can’t keep using the same actors a thousand times.
Natalie:
Yeah.
Blaine:
You gotta do something with them. Making them dead makes sense in this scenario. So if Rhodey has been killed, or if they plan on killing him and he’s just gonna be a scroll for a little while, that it makes sense to me.
Natalie:
Wouldn’t
Blaine:
Eugh.
Natalie:
he be, you would think though, if… I don’t know, maybe it’ll come back, but I’m waiting for Skrullrody to take advantage of the fact that he’s got all the War Machine stuff.
Blaine:
You would
Natalie:
Right?
Blaine:
think so? No, I’m with
Natalie:
Like that
Blaine:
you.
Natalie:
seems like some pretty good technology to have if you’re trying to start some shit.
Blaine:
Yeah, yeah, pose as War Machine and do something. I was just thinking logistically, are they gonna spend that kind of CGI money to have a War Machine flying? I don’t know,
Natalie:
Sure.
Blaine:
it would make
Natalie:
But
Blaine:
sense.
Natalie:
you can’t, why would you have used that character if you’re not gonna take advantage of it?
Blaine:
I wish they would. It would be cool. Um, yeah Talos’ death is how we end the episode. It hit me harder. I felt kind of sad. I just think the show is better than critics gave it credit for. I don’t think they got as many episodes as we have when they first reviewed it four weeks ago or five weeks ago.
Natalie:
Yeah, maybe so.
Blaine:
Alright, well that’s the end of our episode for the week on YouTube and we’re off next week so catch up with us, come back to us and if you leave a review on Apple we will recognize it on the air for you like in audio. How’s that sound? Do that for us and I don’t know we’ll have some fun with it. Thanks to listener of the week Jefe what’s Pappy Van Winkle cost a man? let us know. Bye everyone!


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