'DTF St. Louis' and Its Vibes; Steve Carell Returns to the Spotlight in 'Rooster'

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In case you pay no mind to the show notes, we're discussing the second episode of the HBO series DTF St. Louis and the first of the HBO series Rooster.

It made its debut last week.

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Adam and I are here and we're non spoilers.

So if you want to start off with us, you are in safe territory until the break.

We're gonna go with DTF St. Louis first.

Does that sound good?

Sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

We'll do DTA of St. Louis first.

A bit odd suburbia from HBO.

Clark Forest, famed morning weatherman who looks a lot like Jason Bateman.

He quickly befriends Floyd Smirnich.

I never tire of saying that name.

I. I don't either.

And every time it's on screen and in some.

Some tough spots too, I'm still just kind of snickering about what a great name it is.

That's a brilliant piece of writing.

Floyd Smerdich is Clark forest weatherman for St. Louis and they become friends at work.

Floyd does sign language and that's how they work together at times.

Floyd, of course, played by the.

I think David Harbour is really good in this.

I agree.

I think there were.

Obviously we're not going to get into Specifics on episode two, but yeah, a chance for him to shine.

Yes.

He.

He's very.

If he's supposed to be playing likable and.

And pitiful at the same time, he's

nailing it, which he's kind of made a career out of in a lot of ways.

You think so?

Because I didn't.

In Stranger Things, he seemed like, I'm the tough guy who's a little pitiful every now and then.

I think maybe I'm thinking about the adopted parent kind of thing, you know, where he's like, struggling through how do I relate to this teenager who's doing teenagery things.

Right.

And not.

Not always doing it well, though, obviously he's just so full of heart and Stranger Things that he ends up succeeding.

Whereas here he may be a little too aloof.

Here he's more sad eyed.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

He's definitely more pathetic.

How'd the second episode treat you?

Overall, I still don't know how I feel about this show.

You know, the critics, they were writing out of 5 out of 8 episodes and didn't know.

And I think I agree with them because there's moments of like, I'm intrigued and it's making me laugh.

Even though this isn't really what you'd think of as a conventionally comedic moment.

And there's just a strangeness to it, you know, it's not really proceeding like a crime investigation show.

I mean, there is that element, obviously, but even the way that they.

They speak to each other is kind of stilted in this weird.

Yeah, everything's just one degree off, you know, and like, I really enjoy that.

And the three leads are fantastic.

Yet I'm still not taken with the show.

I think I saw Vulture, gave it like 3 out of 5 stars this episode.

Yeah.

And I think I would have to agree with that.

That's about right.

I would agree, too.

I found the first episode really captivating and just.

I couldn't believe how good I thought it was.

And then this one sort of brought it back down to life.

I still thought it was pretty good.

There is a. I can't think of a better way to put this, but there's a, like a.

A very light slime over the whole show.

Thin layer of just ickiness.

Yeah.

To the entire proceedings.

Yeah.

And I actually thought, you know, that the people, everybody in the show, the remote in their house is like, sticky.

You know what I mean?

That's a good analogy.

So it's.

I had that thought.

So it's Funny that you put that is so true.

You know what you.

What you just said.

That thin layer of.

What'd you say?

Ickiness.

Ickiness.

And everyone except for maybe Floyd seems as though something's a miss.

Yeah, I do enjoy it.

This is.

This is definitely for folks who love a murder mystery with high class acting.

I watched the first episode of Scarpetta on Amazon Prime.

I haven't watched an Amazon prime show in a long time.

They really tack on the ads these days.

I did not know this.

Scarpetta stars Nicole Kidman as a probably a city or state doctor who does the autopsies of murders.

It's based off Patricia Cromwell novels.

I mean this is just airport novels turned into TV shows.

But I did watch the first episode because it was recommended as a weekend thing to do from Vulture.

Speaking of.

And I compared the two.

They're both murder mystery things.

DT of St. Louis is a higher level than this, than Scarpetta.

It's not that Nicole Kidman isn't great.

Scarpetta's got Nicole Kidman, Jamie Lee Curtis, Bobby Carnevale.

What else has he been in?

You don't know Bobby, Bobby Carnevale.

I'm not sure.

Well, he was in Boardwalk Empires for I think his first major role.

Major role.

He was also in one of Netflix's show by Ryan Murphy that turned out to be a dud, but started great.

He's good, he's easy to watch.

But you compare that to DTF St. Louis, Scarpetta's.

And even though they got both ranks of actors, Something else about DTF St. Louis is going on.

It's just.

It feels as though there's an undercurrent we haven't discovered, I guess.

Yeah.

I think episode obviously we'll get into it in spoilers, but episode two started doing more with storytelling, you know, like, can you.

I'm trying not to spoil.

I mean, I don't know that saying that they're unreliable narrators in an murder investigation show is like, you know, really tipping the hand too much.

But the way that it kind of doubled back on itself on its narrative from the first one, I thought that was pretty good.

Yeah, I did.

Do.

I think my criticism may be.

And I can't put my finger on it.

It feels like a long 50, whatever minutes.

You know, some shows just kind of breeze by this one.

I don't know if it's that.

That feeling, that vibe that you talked about, the kind of.

You feel the seconds a little bit more when you're in that Layer of ickiness, but I don't know.

Yeah, yeah.

Richard Jenkins shining here.

Linda Cardinelli shining here.

I thought.

Richard Jenkins plays the detective.

He's sort of paired with this actress, Joy Sunday.

She's Officer Plum and she is.

She stares a lot at.

At Richard Jenkins, Homer, you know, as if to say seriously.

But she never takes that step.

I don't know if it's because she feels as though that wouldn't be her place or she.

That would not be the thing to do in a professional environment.

Both actors there, Joyce Sunday and Richard Jenkins, did well with the scenes that they had.

Obviously, it's almost impossible to talk about without going into spoilers, but, you know, know, you.

You noted last week that he kind of took on a paternalistic, maybe dismissive kind of tone with her and that that kind of gets chopped out from underneath him a bit this week.

Yeah.

And I think she's maybe shown to be pretty.

She's super confident, but doesn't do like you're saying, doesn't always overstep, but seems pretty adept at her job.

Yes, she plays it well, plays it right.

Plays this intelligent, competent detective, I suppose, Officer, I suppose, who.

Who knows exactly what to say, when to say it and how to say it without being mean or rude, but yet have this forceful.

Yeah, I think it's high quality.

I think.

I still think it's well shot.

Great act, greatly acted.

Interesting.

Pretty well written as far as how it's laid out.

I can.

I could see the storyboard in the writer's room and think, wow, that's kind of interesting.

And again, I'm going to compare it to Scarpetta without spoiling either the storyboard for that one.

I think to myself, what are you doing?

Of course, those are based off novels, so maybe they're just kind of using the novel as an outline.

Not sure.

But anyway, before those spoilers, we do have another HBO series and it's also another Bill Lawrence show with Steve Carell.

Where does he find the time?

That's a good question.

Steve Carell's the titular Rooster in a way.

Lawrence has to be slammed.

Let's see, right now he's filming Ted Lasso.

Scrubs is there in its reboot, so I guess he's kind of done with it.

Shrinking is trucking along on Apple, so I suppose they're finished and wrapped.

But now, Rooster, a lot of irons in the fire, but this, man, is this Bill Lawrence's first coveted Sunday HBO slot?

I think so.

Kind of the pinnacle that's an interesting question.

Is it the pinnacle for a guy who was very successful on, you know, I mean, Scrubs was like a big show.

I would think that.

I think HBO Sunday Night would have been a pinnacle about 15 years ago.

And we're kind of running into what the show talks about, though, right?

Like a beach read versus the prestige of a liberal arts college.

Yeah, that's so true.

Just in general, in case you're thinking about watching it and you want to hear the non spoilers, Steve Carel plays an author who's written a series of books with this character Rooster, and that's the title of the show as well.

He's brought in to do a reading at a university, and he's basically kind of brushing it off, thinking, this is a beach read.

Nobody should be doing a reading for this kind of book.

But thank you, here I am.

And he seems to be taking it in with some enjoyment.

And we find out that he's also there probably because his daughter teaches a professor slot there at the university.

I suppose it's a pilot or premier.

It's probably a premiere I don't think is necessarily a pilot.

If you want to get into the jargon of it all as a.

As a premier where you were you

in oh, thousand percent.

Me too.

Even though I've seen this a thousand times.

So I want to get into, you know, why I am so invested, yet I know exactly what this is.

I think one.

I think it's a very cozy atmosphere.

You talk about coziness.

You were the first person I thought of.

I thought, my God, what I wouldn't pay to be on that campus in that moment.

You thought of me, I thought of

you, and I thought that I would want to be there because of the setting.

It looked like a New England campus that was perfectly fall.

Yeah.

And.

And somehow is for six months, a year or something.

Yeah, it always seems to be.

I was doing some reading about the show, and they filmed in Los Angeles, and so all of the.

They did them wearing the coats or whatever.

They.

They shot it in summer.

And so all of these extras are dressed like it's autumn, but it was 100 degrees during shooting.

Despite knowing kind of what's gonna happen to a point that.

That vibe, that campus novel feel, campus film.

I think we both love those.

Steve Carell is just so incredibly watchable and funny and charming.

It's possible that Steve Carell is underrated despite being on TV sometimes two channels at a time, with office reruns almost every day of the week.

Well, he can do it all.

And he has shown that.

Right.

He's funnier.

He's better at drama.

He's more.

I'll use the word charming again than you remember him being every time he's in something new.

Yeah.

If you watch this show and you're as familiar with the Office as you probably are, and then you've also watched the Patient on fx, you get.

You get it.

Well, I couldn't help but think of his character in Little Miss Sunshine with this, you know, who was an academic.

I forgot about that role.

Fantastic role.

Fantastic movie.

The one that he did for Netflix.

Space Force or something like that.

Didn't work out.

I don't think.

From my understanding, it just wasn't that good.

But I doubt it had anything to do with Steve Carell.

Maybe I need in Rooster.

Maybe I need a little bit more Carell doing pretty awkward Carell things.

You know, he's a simmered down Michael Scott here.

He's a Michael Scott.

He's way too emotionally aware.

Yeah, I think that's it in this role to be for that comparison.

I think he's.

It did a thing.

Natalie, when we finished, she loved it immediately.

She was hooked.

Oh, good.

And said, this show has people saying things out loud that you always.

You always think, why wouldn't you just, like, articulate how you're feeling?

You know, when you're watching a show, sometimes you watch Larry David and you're

like, yeah, stop articulating.

Right, right.

But then you lose the second and third act of every episode of Curb if you do that.

So.

But here it's like, oh, these are people behaving in very familiar ways.

Very true, Very true.

I think the connection I'm making with Michael Scott is obviously, it's Steve Career Corral.

But he had me laughing in his reactions, his facial expressions.

I was like, oh, we're back to that.

And I'm.

And I'm okay with that.

It's not redundant.

It's funny.

Right.

And he's got a.

His character has to be in a situation where there are new things.

You obviously in the office.

He's in his domain, you know, but like, all new information.

It was like telling a child and him kind of bumbling his way through campus.

I think maybe.

Maybe that's what you're talking about.

Yeah, it is.

And then, you know, well, we'll get into specifics and spoilers, of course.

But he.

He, as Greg Russo, this writer, he's a very normal dad, it seems.

And then he does normal, dumb dad things for his age level.

But he also, like you said, perfect term, is self aware to where his facial expressions will tell you that, but also make you chuckle.

And I think it's just.

I think it's working.

I've seen some semi negative reviews.

I see some great reviews.

So this could be.

It's only a 30 minute show.

I don't think it's going to be a waste of time if it goes south.

I think Corel's gonna carry it nonetheless.

I think the atmosphere alone could probably.

Yeah.

For us go all the way.

I can see the critique that we've seen this kind of thing before.

It's another.

It's another white male having a mid age crisis.

Sort of.

Sort of.

So we got Greg Russo, Steve Carell.

I had read where Bell Lawrence, you probably read this, got the idea for Carell's character after working on the adaptation of Carl Hiason's Bad Monkey for Apple tv, which Donovan and I loved.

Did you know that?

No, I didn't.

Yeah.

So apparently Bad Monkey is like a semi beach read and they turned it into a very entertaining Apple TV show with Vince Vaughn.

Russo's churning out these action books for guys and then he has to face that in a way in this very maybe elite New England campus.

Upper level.

Ish.

Perhaps.

You know what?

That could be my only gripe.

This would have worked so well as an autumn series

or one of those shows for like June or July when it's a billion degrees outside and you're

wishing for that, you know it's coming.

Yeah.

Also in the episode is none other than the actor who plays Jamie Tartt.

Ted Lasso.

Yeah.

Surprise role for me.

Phil Dunster.

He's away.

Phil Dunster.

Is his name Phil Dunster?

Is it really?

Yeah.

On the series.

No, Archie is his name in the series.

But you're talking about.

That's the actor.

What I thought his name was.

Yeah.

Archie is his character.

His name doesn't fit.

Dunster.

Who he looks like.

You don't.

You don't think a man that handsome would have the last name Dunster.

Exactly.

Okay, that's it.

Speaking of handsome men, John C. McGinley as the dean.

I think he plays a dean type character.

President.

President.

He's calling the shots and is aggressively shirtless.

Lawrence is dipping into all his wells here, mixing the waters all around.

He's got his Ted Lasso actors, he's got his Scrubs actor, he's got the new Steve Carell.

I don't think he's worked with him.

I don't think so.

Yeah, I was going to get your input there.

Here is my.

I was joking about my only gripe.

I think my only.

I wouldn't call it a red flag.

My only flag so far is there is a reoccurring campus police officer who is an amazing comedian and there's just no way you can't write something for him that won't have you gut busting with laughter.

So it's Rory Scovell is the cop.

He's the.

And he's also does really good stand up stuff.

So I can't wait to see if they give him something, maybe even a storyline that would be funny.

So your Chekhov's gun in the series is Rory.

He's too funny to not do funny things.

He's too funny just to be a very plain spoken campus cop.

The fact that he's a campus cop is kind of funny though.

Yeah, campus cops, that's a role you don't see much and you can kind of do something with.

But yeah, good style, good pace.

I thought that might be a story that's hinted at in, in this first episode and we kind of hinted at it here.

You know, if you're, if you've watched it, you know, I think there's a broad audience for it.

I think it's a, there's possibility for it to be good.

So we'll talk about these things in spoilers.

We'll talk about the specifics and if you've seen and want to know more or check what you think with what we think.

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Spoiler section.

If you're here for DTF St. Louis, in the first episode of Rooster, you're in the right spot.

We both watch Shrinking Spoilers.

Speaking of Bill Lawrence, we were talking a little before we hit record, this week's episode of Shrinking.

Kind of right down the middle.

Would you agree you felt like it was a decent episode, kind of your normal, maybe back on track kind of episode for them?

Yeah, I think it was.

If you're saying it's down the middle, it was maybe more in line with what we expected out of, like, a season one than the first bit of season three.

You know, we.

We said last week, sometimes on TV you want your friends to have heart attacks because it makes for good drama and story development.

But this, you know, not.

Not as dramatic.

But I still think it was a fine episode.

I do, too.

We're actually not spoiling very much at all here, but we kind of saw the ending coming.

Gabby gets a phone call.

We.

We kind of.

We suspected as much last week.

It's a heavy one.

This episode's had a couple heavy moments.

It revolved around Jimmy's deceased wife's birthday.

And Lewis came back.

I didn't.

I thought that would.

That would make you happy.

I didn't see it coming.

Lewis with a beard, too.

He's my daughter.

Lewis with a beard, apparently.

So.

So says Brian.

Yeah.

Yes, you're right.

When I do say right down the middle, I mean, not.

Not great.

Pretty good for the.

For the series.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think that showed them, since the show is kind of about their growth, their development, whatever stage of life they're at.

And they're just about.

Check every box on that, folks having to face tough things and move through it with community.

Right.

It did have one of the funniest lines I think it may have had the season, which was, I probably say that every week, so forgive me, listeners.

Well, Lewis was back, and he says, hey, I'm seeing someone.

And Jimmy just without thinking says, wouldn't it be funny if I killed her?

And I thought, that's pretty good.

That's how you use Jason Siegel.

Yeah.

I don't know that he can play the piano softly without me thinking of forgetting.

Sarah Marshall.

Yeah, that's hard.

That was tough.

But I liked that he invited the.

The car girl.

Right.

What's her name?

I want to say Sarah, but that's not correct.

The.

The woman that he's clearly been putting off.

Yeah.

Asking out.

Comes to crash the.

Essentially the.

The dead wife's birthday party.

Right.

Yeah.

She comes by invite.

He, you know.

Yeah, of course, of course.

Yeah.

I'm pretty.

No complaints here.

They've certainly come, you know, a ways since episode one of this third season where I was thinking, this might.

This show may need to end.

Now I'm thinking, no, it's okay.

It's fine.

It's probably okay.

Now let's head back to our fictional suburb of Twyla, where much of the action of DTF St. Louis plays out.

That and the police station this week.

Did you like it when Twyla was used as kind of weaponized a little bit against Officer Plum?

Detective Plum.

Yeah, he calls her that.

Right?

Like your small town.

You're right.

I don't know how it works in Twyla or whatever he says, but it was.

But doesn't he call her that, like, hey, Twyla.

Oh, yeah, he does.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, he's definitely kind of a dick.

Homer.

You're talking about Richard Jenkins.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a dick.

And it plays well when he's questioning his suspects, but it makes him way more of a dick with Joy Sunday's character, Officer Plum.

Yeah.

He also gets these kind of like, why is he being empathetic for the murder suspect?

Just trying to.

Or.

Victim.

Victim.

How did I just blank on the word victim?

No, I do things like this all the time.

Yeah, he's.

He has sympathy for.

For Floyd.

Just trying to live his life.

So do I.

Don't we all?

Of course.

But it was just unexpected from him who kind of puts on this gruff.

You know, they have to.

They even have to explain what hooking up is.

Right.

He's so old.

Old school that he needs way too many things to find for him.

What's a hookup app?

What's.

Why would a man.

Why wouldn't a man bring a little porn to get suit.

You know, to get ready for a meetup and things.

Analog porn.

Analog porn.

Pieces of paper.

Yeah, he thinks that's perfectly normal.

And whereas Officer Plum says, no, you wouldn't do that.

You'd have your phone.

Well, he also.

I thought it was hilarious that he just fully grabbed with both hands The Indiana Jones porn vocabulary word.

He just.

You know how many times he said Indiana Jones in this episode?

It was a lot.

A lot.

That's kind of what I was talking about in non spoilers.

Like the.

The weird, weird, stilted kind of way that they talk to each other.

Yeah.

Kind of a vibe, I think it's supposed to feel.

Obviously, we're dealing with unreliable narrators who are telling a story and probably inventing their own dialogue for it.

Right.

So, like, you have the writers of the show writing within writing.

You know what I mean?

So it's supposed to feel a little plastic, a little strange.

But then even like when.

When the detectives are talking and I think that's when we're to think that we're in reality, you know, the show's reality, that they still communicate in an odd way at times.

Everything about the show is just a little off.

Well, it's the generation gap between Homer and Plum.

Well, there's that, but even the way that they communicate with other people around their department or people talk to each other, I don't know.

Everything is just a little unnatural.

But is this a Netflix show on hbo?

No.

I think it's because it's doing a little bit more.

Yeah, I agree with that.

I don't know that it's.

I'm not giving it four out of five stars.

You know, I'm not saying it's affecting quality, but I do think it's trying to dig a little deeper.

I don't.

Everything that I just said about everything being a degree off.

I don't think Netflix at this point in time goes to the effort of doing things like that.

They don't gamble.

Right.

This one may boil down to narration.

You're right.

Who's answering the questions honestly?

Point of view.

Are we to trust.

The opening sequence is.

Have Bateman's Clark Forrest's version.

It seems as though he's being honest because they have so much evidence that he can't deny certain things.

And then you have Linda Cardinelli's version, which is different enough to where she could be.

She could have some guilt.

Yeah.

She comes.

She came across as fairly menacing in this episode and played it really, really well.

Very well.

Carol Smirnage.

You know, they make each other's dreams come true.

That's as euphemistic as it could possibly get.

As he's explaining to Homer, you know,

I can't remember whose memory we were in.

When she's watching Floyd.

Beautifully done by David harbor.

On stage, dancing, doing the signing for the Band and he.

She's there and she goes to hold Jason Bateman's hand.

Cuz they're alone in this crowd and they have this kind of like moment in public, you know, where they can do this and get away with it.

And then her eyes, the way that she was able to slowly fill her eyes with tears, you know, and say what she says about that's the guy I want to be old with.

But she's holding Clark's hand.

But then let's go.

I thought that was pretty good.

Yeah, pretty good bit of acting.

Again, assuming Clark's version is the true version.

Then they had a moment at the St. Louis Cardinals game where she made him snag the beer.

Snag it.

So weird.

I think that's what I mean by again, not to keep going back to this one degree off thing.

I mean, I guess that that is a way he's telling the story right at that point.

Clark.

He is.

Because he also thinks that they have the same drink order.

And Jamba Juice.

Yes.

And, and yes.

And that's how that kicks off.

Would he tell the story that way or did she really do that with the beer.

With the light beer?

Also you notice he was getting the light beer.

She didn't get the light beer.

Well, you know what, in the.

In one of the opening scenes where they flash back to the cornhole attorney, the cornhole day, he is drinking a light beer and she's drinking a Bud.

Heavy.

Yeah.

Did you notice that?

No, but it checks out.

I noticed.

I picked up on it in the.

The Cardinals game scene.

Yeah.

It happens at the Garden.

But if you.

I noticed it in the first time.

It showed them there at the cornhole in the first 10 minutes or so.

And I thought, wow, if you got

a low paying job at the Purina corporate offices.

Yeah.

Well, you reach for a but.

Heavy.

Yeah.

When do you make the detail that the lady drinks the butt Heavy.

Not the butt boy.

Not the very vain man who's on camera several times a day.

Yeah, exactly.

What's he doing in that intro?

Karate.

What is he doing in a suit?

It cracks me up.

It's a funny show.

It is a funny show.

It's gonna be with Bateman.

Even if Bateman's playing a very serious role.

He has moments in anything.

Homer has the not solid evidence that Clark made a fake profile that this really happened.

As far as we know, he made a fake profile on the DTF St. Louis side is Tiger Tiger, which is how he drew Floyd Smage to the Kevin Klein Pool.

That.

That early in the morning.

It's also funny that they keep repeating Kevin Klein pool, who's a famous actor.

Kevin Klein Pool.

I'm guessing that they named the pool after the.

Is he from St. Louis?

Should we know this?

Well, in the other.

How can you hear tiger, tiger and not think of William Blake?

That's a good point.

That's a good point.

I mean, that just seems so on the nose.

What?

Yeah.

What are they doing with that?

Do you have an idea?

My very pedestrian Blake history knowledge.

There is the.

It's always about innocence and experience.

Right.

And, like ecstatic religious experience.

All this stuff.

But a lot of that.

We're constantly navigating the waters between spiritual, like, childlike innocence and the experience of the world.

You know, like what?

You're aware that evil exists and all

these things and you're constantly taking in information kind of thing.

Yeah.

And like, how do you rectify those two things?

Like, that's the rub is always.

It's like the.

That line about, like, you have to hold two conflicting ideas.

Yes.

Without going insane kind of thing.

I'm sure that there's someone who is more up on their Blake right now who's yelling into their speaker.

Probably Donovan.

Donovan would have been clutch.

Oh, man.

By the way, Kevin Klein is from St. Louis.

I just.

There you go.

I looked it up.

But in thinking about that Tiger, Tiger thing, Floyd is a pretty innocent guy.

He's kind of.

I don't know that he does anything.

Obviously he's lying about certain aspects of his life and he does use this app.

But.

Yeah.

You know, like when he goes to take a dance class, he has no governor on, like, how much an adult man should be enjoying this.

He's like, this is great.

I love it.

I want to talk about that.

Saying probably there's a wholesomeness to him.

It is a.

Yes.

David Harbour is wearing sort of a fat suit or a belly type thing, isn't he?

I would think at this point.

I think he is.

He'd never been quite that big.

I don't think so.

No.

But you could really tell it in the dancing, which is.

Okay.

It's fine.

But I want to talk about the dancing because the storyline there is that his stepson doesn't like sports, so they thought, hey, well, not go the complete opposite and do dance or, you know, get you out of the house, which

that idea seems about.

Once you establish that he bought that game last week, it's about on par with that.

It is so on par.

What teenage boy wouldn't want to go to dance class.

Yeah, it's rare.

It's rare.

Also when you see his teenage boy, you.

You can understand the tone in our voices.

It's like, no, that's not going to be for him either.

Right, right.

But instead throwing dirt claws at the house, you know, dance is probably not for him.

I don't know what that kid's into.

Video games maybe?

I don't know.

They're kind of a poor.

They're kind of a down and out couple.

And when it comes to economy and hey.

Cause she's drinking the freaking Jamba Juice all the time.

Do you see those prices?

You can't be doing that over.

Over six bucks for a small.

She goes every day.

No wonder they can't afford a new car.

Floyd can't waste the money on the dance classes, so he takes them himself and incorporates them into his signing jobs that he gets with shows, rap stars and rap shows.

And he'll sign off to the side for the people who come, who can't hear.

And it's such a good scene because you're right.

It tells you so much about him right there and her.

And it's.

It's complex.

Right.

Because they.

She knows that it's mildly embarrassing, but it's so lovable at the same time.

It's.

Yeah, he's putting his heart into it.

He loves it.

He's.

It's a kind heartedness.

It's an.

I don't give a feel to it.

Like you said, he.

He puts way more than a.

A grown man should because he's in there with mostly teenage girls, kids.

Oh.

All the he had to give were buried about 20 years ago.

That's my.

That's what I feel like with this guy.

And then.

Well, let's go back 20 years because as it turns out, his secret, it's not necessarily a lie, but he.

He is the guy.

He is Indiana Jones with the Playgirl.

Which is.

What.

What is that?

How's that?

She's.

When she started pulling the copies out, the first one, you're like, oh, yeah, there it is.

You know, Confirms that he was there for the reasons that have been outlined down at the station.

But as she kept pulling out more copies, I was like, wait, is the TV glitching?

Have we seen the same.

Oh, you thought that frame.

Well, for like half a second.

Because she pulls out the same copy several times.

Right.

Yeah.

His other secret is that he likes guys.

Yeah.

And he's married to Carol.

He must.

It's possible because that brings In Peter Sarsgaard's character, who apparently did have a mini hookup with him.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm sorry.

I'm laughing because there's.

There's more funny, out of touch detective moments there when he only wrote.

He's trying to figure out how to take notes on this meeting.

And he just writes a AP for ass play.

Pretty funny.

That is a good way to show he's out of touch and be funny.

Peter Sarsgaard's character, you don't.

You don't hire him for one episode.

No.

Gotta think he's gonna be coming back.

So we should probably learn his name.

But he.

In his profile for the.

The app, he's basically a David Bowie kind of.

Which is another shame.

We can't have Donovan here.

Well, you know, we don't know his name.

I think we only know his hand profile.

Modern Love.

Modern Love.

And he's dressed as David Bowie, very much in 70s Bowie style.

The androgynous look.

And Detective Homer said, that is a guy.

Right.

I'm also intrigued by the set pieces of.

When he first interviews them on those steel.

Not steel, concrete kind of looking blocks in the lobby of maybe the police station.

Sitting pretty damn far apart, too.

And they're far apart.

And it's very.

It's not the kind of place where you would talk to someone.

It doesn't seem.

Not about something as serious as this.

Not about, did you meet up with this guy for ass play who ended up dead?

Yeah.

Yeah.

And funny that when you watch, you're thinking, how are they effectively communicating?

And I mean, like, on a physical level, how do they hear each other?

How do they.

Yeah, because you probably don't want to say that much incriminating stuff.

Super loud in the lobby where someone is, you know, every time that they show one of them, there are people walking behind them.

Yeah, it's a lobby.

It's got to be something.

Busy place.

Yeah.

But then you have Linda Cardinelli, her character, using.

I'm sorry, you'll have to speak up, like, weaponizing that against very much Officer Plum.

It's a funny contrast there.

Yeah.

Wow.

Good catch.

Speaking of people in Oblivion, we've seen it probably five or six times at this point, including trailers.

But I never get tired of Jason Bateman explaining to Floyd the app.

And.

And when he.

And Floyd gets to the point where he says, what's dtf?

And he says, the way Bateman delivers down to fuck, yeah, it is good.

He relishes saying it.

Yeah.

I think the other Thing we probably have to talk about is the.

The doling out of the timeline.

You know, last week we got kind of bits and pieces, and you could, you know, when you watch a show like this, you immediately start trying to.

To set up the.

The mental cork board.

Yeah, the cork board in your head.

And a lot of those pieces kind of just got thrown on the board without a.

A strong, like, sense of how they related to each other.

Did you enjoy the way that more was revealed?

Because we kind of.

You and Donovan tried to piece out last week, had Carol and Clark already known each other, like, at that first.

I guess, at the cornhole.

Right.

Like, were they already.

And I guess not hooking up?

They weren't yet.

Right.

But then there was a longer gap between that and the swanky garden party that Clark throws.

Those felt closer together before.

But, yeah, according to episode two, the entirety of the affair happened between those two things.

Right.

I think it's.

I think that's what we're supposed to understand.

Right.

I'll say this, too.

I'll jump ahead.

Toward the end, there was something in the delivery of Bateman calling his wife, having to leave a message.

She looks at her phone and doesn't answer it.

But he leaves the message and he says, they're talking death penalty.

And it's just the way he says it, it's almost felt as if she knows a little, you know, like, hey, you did something, we did something, and now I'm the one in the deepest amount of trouble.

Well, in the way he said, I didn't hurt Floyd.

Yeah, I thought that was good.

Does make you think that.

That his wife may have had something to do with it.

She has only been on screen very little in the first episode, a little bit more in the second.

And you're starting to think, is she being withheld from viewers as part of the mystery?

So I think that has to be.

Let me ask you this, Adam.

You're smarter than I am.

Is there a specific reason why someone like Clark forest, weatherman for St. Louis, would be saying so damn much without a lawyer?

I asked the same thing.

Allowed.

We were watching, and I was like, where shouldn't he have a lawyer here?

You know, he can afford one since he's the bang master and all.

And, man, that was uncomfortable to watch Big bang him coming up with the story about the Canadian Offshore.

It's untrue, isn't it?

It's has to be.

Well, yeah, I guess.

I mean, I guess us immediately thinking, nah, he's making that up to sound More interesting.

Maybe.

Maybe it's true.

I don't know.

Yeah, but why would he not call the lawyer and those.

You know, the.

The type of crime show.

I'm blanking on the name.

It was on HBO years ago.

Okay.

It was the night of.

The night of that.

That.

Read your mind there, didn't I?

That was great.

Yeah.

Probably because that show had that, you know, the dream where you wake up and you are in prison or you're.

You know, you've done something that you can't get away from.

Whatever.

I feel like everybody has that somewhere in their unconscious.

Oh, my God.

What if that happened and he calls him Bill Clark is the lawyer.

It doesn't.

He or Bill Clark gets involved.

Remember how much we.

We love Bill Clark at that time?

That show was.

That was a good show.

Pretty good show.

Yeah.

But that.

I feel like they slowly cranked up the temperature on that feeling for Clark in this episode.

Like, you're still not sure if you're sympathetic with him or not, but that ending phone call in that, like, brutalist architecture room where he, you know, his wife won't even answer him.

He's.

He is so alone in that moment.

And then it makes you think again.

Why didn't he have a lawyer through this whole thing?

I know no one's talking to this guy.

He's obviously isolated himself to a large degree.

You know, like, we talked about that last week with even his schedule where he's like, I gotta be up at

4am Looked like he's going to bed at, like, 5.

Right.

So even his family isn't that close to him.

And now this guy that he kind of got close to is dead.

And who can he trust who would have his back?

You know, because even his co workers are reporting on it.

Yeah.

You know, that's a good point.

Did you think it was weird when the.

The way that he says that he finds out about the app is that he's in, like, his little makeup room.

Right.

And they're reporting on it.

They were very nonchalant about that report.

Did it strike you as weird that they were, like, for St. Louis citizens who are looking to have a little extra fun.

Yeah.

It reads funny.

Yeah, it was very flippant.

It was flipping.

I was thinking of maybe like, a Huntsville news station, which was.

Which would be the one I would have relied on.

It wouldn't happen there, but would it happen in St. Louis or Detroit?

I don't think so.

Yeah.

I don't know.

We've kind of waltzed around this but the show is doing smaller moments too.

Much better probably than if it aired on a Netflix or something.

Like Clark having to jump off.

Jump off Floyd's car at Nance where he's taken his daughters.

Clark has taken his daughters.

Floyd having to borrow his wife's car while she takes the bus.

Carol's disgust at him, and later endearment that you mention at the concert.

Those are small things that add up to something, and it's going to be.

That's what keeps you coming back, I think.

Plus, it's also doing a bigger picture of poking around suburbia and how humdrum life can.

Can build with small headaches like this, with the car, the weight gain, the crooked penis.

I mean, is this what drives people to kill or to get into these kinds of situations?

The grass is greener aspect of humdrum suburbia life is.

Which is prevalent in these neighborhoods.

And I like how it's investigating that a little.

Forgive the pawn.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I think the conversation that we just had makes it sound like a better show than maybe actually.

You think so?

It's this weird thing where it's making me think, but I don't know how much I enjoy watching it.

You know, this episode is the only time.

Well, there's only two, but the second one was where I was, like, really happy.

I watched it by myself.

Why is that?

Because it just felt a little.

A little icky, a little creepy.

You know, the.

The long discussion of.

In the porn positive household wasn't.

Wasn't awkward enough in episode one.

I think I could have giggled through that one, but this one felt like weaponizing sex.

And I.

It made me feel a little purposefully uncomfortable, I would imagine.

Yeah.

Again, that your comparison to Netflix.

I think Netflix doesn't want you to feel the way that this show is making us feel.

They would lose to too many subscribers or audience.

Right.

It.

You can feel afraid or scandalized or sad or whatever, but this specific, like, I feel weird.

Like that doesn't get you a lot of subscribers.

I don't think.

I don't think so too.

But I'm okay with feeling weird sometimes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm okay with my art or show or movie or whatever making me feel a little.

Little off kilter.

All right, we'll jump to another where probably doesn't make you feel too off kilter at all.

The specifics of the new HBO series, Rooster.

We only have the one episode down since we record before they air.

We got Steve Carell, Danielle Deadweiker.

She's the poet who brings him in for the reading.

She's great.

Yeah, she was great.

I surprised because I.

Of course, I'd never seen her in anything.

Charlie Clive is Steve Carell's daughter.

She's a professor.

Got some hard personal issues going on.

And John C. McGinley as the.

The loose president.

He doesn't give a. I like that.

He's not worried about it.

Yeah.

I mean, if I was president of a university, I mean, I suppose I might be a little worried about my contract not being renewed, but.

Yeah, I wouldn't give a shit.

He seems to be coasting.

He's pretty good.

Yeah.

Lots of shout outs to you in this episode.

Number one, the love of August.

The beautiful setting of.

I said August, I meant autumn.

Yeah, I hate August.

Yeah, August.

Well, yeah, August in New England may not be that bad, assuming that's where this takes place, but you know, it's got the September, late September feel of New England.

Great soundtrack, good soundtrack.

But also the sauna and the wet.

Do you do the sauna and then the wet or.

Excuse me, the cold.

The cold plunge.

I have before the.

I haven't.

So there's not a good setup.

Boy, we're just.

We're diving right in here.

Yeah, we are.

There's not a good setup for like a full ice bath thing, but.

Yeah, the.

The lap pool, you know, they usually keep a lap pool a bit cooler than they do, just like a leisure.

Oh, they do a little bit because you're exercising in it.

Okay.

You know, what we're talking about, if

listeners want to know, is that you are a member of a gym and you enjoy the sauna.

I love the sauna.

You love the sauna.

And so there's a lot of literature out there.

If you're just now getting hip to the sauna.

Everything he says is sourced.

Radically decreases your chance of dementia.

Great for cardiovascular health, all these things.

But is brown fat a real thing?

I have no idea.

That was the one I was going to ask you.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I've been using the.

The sauna to get ready for summer, actually.

So I don't jump in the pool right now.

I'll like, exercise and then get in the sauna to try to get some heat adaptation before it gets too blazing outside.

Probably smart.

Don't dehydrate.

Gotta drink a lot of water, I suppose, afterward.

Yeah, yeah.

So the president, John C. McGinley, he's got his home sauna.

He does not go to the gym.

He has it there at home.

And then he makes Steve Carell's character do a cold plunge immediately after.

That's what he thinks is the best.

It does feel amazing.

The sauna and the plunge, especially the plunge.

Called back so much to him at the waxing table.

40 year old virgin.

Yeah.

I was like, we're right back there.

All these years later.

Yeah.

He screams out.

He's just hilarious.

It's a good show.

There's not a lot that honestly we didn't mention at the top.

I will make a recommendation to Rory Scovell's Stand Up.

His one on Netflix.

He's got one on HBO and Netflix, but the one on Netflix is pretty funny.

Do we want to talk about the poet played by?

I'm trying to think of her name, but I know she was.

She was played by Danielle Deadwyker.

Dylan.

Dylan Sheppard is the professor's name.

Dylan Shepard, poet.

She says she's read his books.

He says he's read her poetry.

They both admit a little later that, no, that's not.

I think that happens a lot in academia, doesn't it?

Yeah, in any.

Oh, yeah, I've heard your record.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

In music as well.

Yeah.

I think that happens everywhere.

Yeah.

Their interactions are very good.

And then she invites him in for a drink and this is one of my favorite moments where he turns around her down and then he has to turn her down again.

Tough.

It was back to back.

And then she has to punch through to get into her house.

Pretty good.

She's over it.

Yeah.

Pretty good riding there.

It's nice.

His daughter, she's the professor now.

She's the one with the big issues.

She's got a husband who separated from her who has a younger undergrad living with him.

Now that's grad student.

Grad student.

Oh, grad.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah.

A little older than under the classic trope.

The classic trope of a professor grad student.

And you know, we get in the very opening episode, he.

Phil Dunster's character, he is seriously considering taking his wife back, searching for forgiveness and maybe losing the grad student here.

But in the meantime, turns out she's pregnant.

Grad suit.

Tough.

Yeah, Grad suit's pregnant.

Put her on a bike to go to the doctor.

What now?

Well, what now is that his.

It's not his ex wife.

His separated wife burns his.

Tries to burn his copy of War and Peace, first edition.

What an amazing relic that would be.

Was so upsetting to see.

We don't like seeing books burned ever.

No matter the Context.

As it was happening, I was yelling at the TV screen, they can't make more of those.

No.

You know, and this relationship is a blink of an eye in the history of this.

This artifact here.

And she lights it on fire.

And at first you think, well, maybe.

Maybe she's just burned the top of it.

And then she can't figure out how to work a chimney.

Right.

The flu isn't open.

Right.

And she burnt.

As that started progressing, I looked over at Natalie, who's actually was sitting with her.

Her jaw dropped at the escalating fire thing.

Again, we talked about the dreamlike thing of like, oh, my God, I'm in prison.

I'm on death row, whatever.

How did I get here?

Yeah, this was the.

I've done something and I can't stop it.

Yeah.

You know, that's.

How often do you have.

Have that feeling of, like, the flame

out of control, this snowball's rolling.

It was really funny, too.

It was kind of funny.

That's obviously going to set up the next episode because the campus cop is gonna have questions.

Y' all stay here.

Yeah, he's gonna have questions.

If you want a good moment for the show.

Kind of sums it up, is where Steve Carell accidentally catches.

Excuse me.

He is accidentally caught watching two lesbians kiss.

And his reactions to that, like, no, I wasn't.

I wasn't watching because of that.

Right now there's anything wrong with that.

But, yeah, again, we got another show with a little bit of a generation gap, this time present in academia.

And perhaps that's even better shown when he has to answer for killing off a female character in his book for no reason than to have her as a prop young lady who asked him about it after his reading.

He sets it up very nicely.

She seems like she's gonna ask a very sweet, kind question, and then she throws that on him, and he has to answer for it.

It's all fun, right?

Like, I think that Steve Carell as Russo is genuinely, like, maybe trying to navigate this world.

Oh, yeah.

Where as you have his peer, John McGinley, not remotely interested.

Mm.

Mm.

And, you know, wants the crybabies to grow up, essentially.

But even you have Professor Shepard, who, when the young woman raises her hand to ask this question, this very pointed question, she's like, ah, here we go again with her shit.

You know what I mean?

That hand shot up, and it's like, okay.

And dare we say, it's a little bit of fun at the expense of being crazy.

Woke up.

Yeah.

Is that okay to Say, I think so.

I mean, you know, you and I probably consider ourselves a bit woke, I suppose, if that's.

But that term has become so poison.

So poisoned.

We're not like woke like that.

Like, we're gonna call out every single little thing.

And existing in the time where it's like, how do you.

That pendulum swings so fast?

How do you just exist?

And I think Steve Carell's character, Russo is just trying to be a good guy.

Yeah.

Is a great representation for 2026.

And he doesn't even really want to write these kinds of books.

No.

And, you know, I think there are artists who are very self effacing.

Like, I really shouldn't be here, but they.

They really think they're the shit.

And I don't.

But he's not one of them.

He's not at all.

This is.

You encounter this as a musician, don't you?

Where you.

You don't.

We're not naming names ever when it comes to this kind of thing.

Our personal lives.

But you.

You encounter these people where it's.

They made this album probably to make money and they didn't really want to make that album.

Right.

I mean, I am around.

Nobody that I know personally would like, put their name on it maybe.

But yeah, I mean, you see that.

Okay.

The mechanisms of the industry.

It's like, did you really love that song or did you just need to get paid to play?

You know what I mean?

That makes a lot of sense.

Or did you write that song because you loved it or you wrote it to make a little money?

Yeah.

Maybe the music scene we were in, it's like, it didn't really seem.

Talking about the two of us.

Like, in west Alabama, you're not gonna make money anyway, so, like, why.

Why not do something you actually love and believe in?

Good point.

Russo has the opportunity to write a book, a series of books that maybe he doesn't really believe in.

And then he gets questioned about it.

He would probably want to say, look, I'm writing these to make a little money.

Yeah.

You buy them at the airport, take them to the beach, whatever.

Don't think too deeply.

Yeah.

It was funny when he, you know, defends himself and says, this is what this woman did.

That was very heroic and blah, blah, blah.

And they say, didn't she have to navigate the end scenes topless?

And he's like, well, she had to use her bikini as a tourniquet.

I don't know if that's a.

A fun nod to Carl Hiason's writing Or not.

But apparently Russo is loosely, very loosely based on Carl Hiason.

When Bill Lawrence was making Bad Monkey, he thought it might be funny to have a character like that do what Russo's probably doing in the.

In these episodes.

I look Forward to these 30 minutes.

Steve Carell, maybe at the top of his game.

A very sexy 60 year old man.

He looks great.

He looks great.

He's having fun.

It's good writing I think for him and it could be good writing overall.

We've only seen one episode, you know,

as we talk more about.

Felt a bit like a Bill Lawrence show stripped of some of the.

The cutesy elements.

For lack of a better term.

I, I thought it was a Bill Lawrence show stripped of the too heavy drama.

The drama like with shrinking.

I think it's a really great drama.

Just a 30 minute drama.

I think it's really good with this.

I think it's going to be a pretty decent comedy if they can avoid the.

The heavy drama.

There's already pretty heavy drama in here.

Well, I was going to say you'll have to remind me of Jamie Tartt's character's name in here.

Archie.

Archie.

Archie as the professor who's still married, only separated, but now has pregnant girlfriend.

That's heavy.

Yeah.

What's going to come of that?

But I still think that can kind of sort of be played for laughs.

Yeah.

In the environment that it's in.

That's not like shrinking where.

And we're going to spoil some shrinking in case you're listening.

So fast forward 30 seconds.

That's not where shrinking where you have Gabby getting the phone call that one of our clients is probably dead.

Yeah, that's true.

The approach feels more like it.

It has to do less.

I don't know a good word other than cutesy humor.

You know, like there it feels a little more.

You don't want to say mature or adult or whatever because the other is fun too.

You know, it's like self consciously they are just adults talking to each other in a more realistic way, I guess.

Does that make sense?

It makes perfect sense.

And I think there's funny to be

mined there a thousand percent.

Yeah.

Even though we've seen it, we've seen this.

But you know, Steve Carell doing it with this cast.

There's.

There's promise and hope and fun and we may return to it actually in our discussions.

I look forward to watching more.

I do too.

And I look forward to seeing where DTF St. Louis goes.

We have no clue, really.

No.

And no clue.

What the quality is week to week.

I think it's going to be okay.

I think it's going to be okay.

I love David Harbour's performance.

So if they.

If he's a staple of every episode, it's probably going to be good enough for me.

Jason Bateman's always pretty good.

I will say this.

If you stuck with us this long and you've watched these shows, I should have put this at the top.

The Pit is just.

Wow.

This season started off a little slow.

Wow.

These last couple of episodes, did I cry?

In this most recent episode, I sat at my television and just cried like a baby.

So if you're interested in talking about the Pit with me, just message me.

Well, I'm not on social media anymore.

Email the Alma take.

We'll talk back and forth in an email or leave a comment on.

The site is now where we close the show by listing what we think is going to win for the Oscars in a few hours and then get.

And then we'll be completely wrong when this comes out Tuesday.

Yeah, you've done a whole lot of Oscar watching.

I didn't actually want to do that.

It just seemed like a very funny time to say we think we're going to be right when we can be proven wrong in four hours.

Yeah, I don't mind doing that.

But we're rarely appreciative.

Prediction show.

But I.

No, but you.

This.

This has been the year that you've watched, I think every nominated best picture.

Am I right about that?

I have not seen Secret Agent because it was tough to get for a while.

The price finally came down on the rental.

That's the Wagner Mura.

Yeah, I love.

Which I. I didn't look into it because it was like, you know, when you look at the rental and it's like it's $25 to watch this since that's too much and now it's down to more reasonable.

Reasonable amount.

And I didn't even realize he was in it and saw that his favorite Brazilian soccer team, they all wore jerseys.

On the back were characters that he's played.

Really?

This was like for his Oscar weekend.

They're hoping that he gets well.

He's best actor.

He seems really dope.

He seems cool.

He's.

He's fantastic.

So I got to see that.

Didn't watch F1.

That's odd because it's right there on Apple.

I know, but is it.

Are we really doing this?

Is it.

Does it need to keep pace with those other films?

Probably not, but I'VE heard it's good.

I didn't see Frankenstein either.

Neither did I.

And I meant to Donovan and I debated covering it and I didn't see it.

We both saw Hamnet.

We're in spoilers.

Anything special you want to say any.

Quick.

I watched it last week.

Yeah, as did I.

That.

That movie crushed me.

Yeah.

I don't know that that was the best film that I saw.

Okay.

I do think.

What about One Day After Another?

Is that the best?

Well, let me say about him that I do think that it had the best scenes of any film that I saw.

Okay.

That end run when they're at the theater.

Yeah.

My God.

Yeah.

There's some particular.

If you just grabbed a still from it that it would make me emotional to look at right now.

Well, putting that old stuff in brand new context is hard to do.

And they did it.

And yeah, the shot particularly, I mean, I thought that she was.

She deserves every award this award season where she is.

The whole theater is looking one direction and she's looking another at Hamnet disappearing behind the.

I'm just like, oh, man.

That is an incredible.

Yeah, really a great season for all these weird, meditative, kind of slow film like that and Train Dreams.

Obviously we're gonna be Homer's for Train Dreams.

Yeah.

It was funny that after I watched Hamnet, I.

It hit me.

Oh, yeah, that is a Chloe Zhao movie.

Duh.

Very much so.

I was like, yeah.

How did I not remember that when

I was watching it opening with the.

The wind blowing through the trees.

Yeah, I'm in.

Did you see One Battle After Another?

I didn't.

Is it good?

It's pretty good.

Paul Thomas Anderson adapting Thomas Pinchon or what, what's his name?

Pinchon.

I don't know.

I always say pension.

Yeah, okay.

But I'm from Alabama.

Sure.

Is it good though?

Yeah, I thought it was great.

I wouldn't put it in the same tier as like Train Dreams and Hamnet and sentimental value, but it was really good.

Sentimental value is real, real good.

I've heard that.

Did you watch if I Had Legs I'd kick you?

I didn't.

No.

Interesting.

I've just heard about these and have been recommended.

These.

It's tough for me to find a two hour chunk to actually sit in and watch a movie on some days.

Most days I think it's pretty inevitable that it's either one battle after another or Sinners.

That's interesting.

And you loved Sinners?

I did.

I loved a lot of these movies.

Yeah.

I thought they were all real good.

But I think those.

Those three that I listed are head and shoulders above a very good field.

This is great.

We can be proven wrong in a matter of hours.

When people listen to this on Tuesday, they'll know how wrong we are.

I bet the Alabama Solution wins for best documentary, though.

I think that would have to be a given.

It's tough for me to gauge because it's been so buzzed about here, obviously,

but it's also nationally important.

Yeah.

But pretty remarkable to see a film actually being referenced by, like, bipartisan legislation that's happening now.

Yeah, that's.

That's what you think.

You want Art, A good documentary to do is to actually, like, you know.

Did you watch it Change?

No, I haven't had the.

The guts to watch it yet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's good, though.

It's a bit gut wrenching, I suppose.

I went in to jump around here.

I went into Hamnet thinking that it would be more devastating to me than it was, albeit it was still.

It still gut punched me, but I suppose knowing that going in is what stripped it of its effect on me a little.

Still.

Still.

Yeah.

Well, those final scenes were still amazing, like you said.

Well, probably getting a lot of this wrong, but still.

We didn't make any real predictions other than I do think the Alabama Solution will win best documentary.

I really do think that maybe I'm wrong.

You'll know.

This is Tuesday morning or whenever you're listening.

That's it for us, though, for this week.

I'm always appreciative of your time and Adam's time and Donovan's time when he's here.

I'm Blaine for Adam and Donovan.

We hope you got your Oscar picks correct this weekend.

Won the office pool.

Go for it.

Talk to y' all later.