Family Warfare and Dysfunction in 'House of the Dragon' and 'The Bear'

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[00:01:21] Episode of presumed innocent that'd be the sixth of the series which I think I'll run through So spoiler morning here not I try to avoid spoilers pretty early But I think I'll cover a couple things here in case you haven't seen that sixth episode use your time stamps

[00:01:36] move along Some podcast apps have those clickable for you. You just jump ahead Apple TV plus has added presumed innocent for a second season How's that gonna work? Won't they tell us what's happened here with this trial and all of everything that's going on this season?

[00:01:56] I've seen rumors online speculation that they will tell us but that there's a second book to adapt Show still great though. It's not perfect. It dropped in quality. I mentioned that last week, but it's still a good

[00:02:10] Series to watch week to week. It's kind of addictive. You know, I don't have a lot of comments on the most recent episode to make This week, it was a it was kind of full-on courtroom for the most part interspersed with some live drama where Rusty

[00:02:23] Gets pretty agitated at Barbara for Even less than what he had done It paints him more so as damn near violent You know kind of almost a roided out kind of figure There is this thematic idea that the better story winning the court

[00:02:44] Getting him acquitted. I'd say in real life. That's probably money and power winning the courts, but it does give Ruth Nega her character Barbara a chance to kind of scoff at the idea that she has to perform in court

[00:02:56] She how dare you ask me that? Why would I? You got a love to hate Tommy or maybe just love it You know he was the one whom Carolyn reported to HR. She was creeped out by him We knew it all along. We knew it deep down

[00:03:12] But to see him have to hear it in court and cringe is so satisfying and then to top it off You get Bill Camps wink at the DA just no perfect from Bill camp But that almost shoots me straight to the end where Bill Camps character Raymond

[00:03:29] Yeah, I guess he has a heart attack of some sort. It's devastating as a viewer You see him kind of sweating even in the court before something's a little off and As a fan of the actor Bill camp, you just hate that he's gonna be sidelined

[00:03:44] I was hoping for a whole lot more of him Loggering it all up on screen baiting Tommy Molta more out manoeuvring them all around but I Guess he's had a commission if he's dead. He's obviously out of commission

[00:03:57] But there's no way he's not just in the hospital at least it does the What happens in real life if that happens is a trial get put on hold today delay the trial Anyway, look Rusty's in deep shit because of that because he's a good lawyer I

[00:04:14] Won't rusty to win the case because I wanted Raymond to win the case but without Raymond. It's pretty much just rusty Maya can certainly take over She seems fairly capable But Rusty's just not a great person in the least so that Where are we now with him?

[00:04:32] They give us a moment where Tommy may be Maybe we shouldn't just flat out hate him, but as much feel sorry for him. He's just an awkward Not so cool guy. He goes home along to his cat Maybe he's not so bad after all

[00:04:52] That's really about all I have this week on presumed innocent other than maybe pointing out the rest He's daughter prods him into thinking about disassociation Makes you wonder there Anyway, let's call in Adam and Donovan to join us to get the rest of this week's episode going

[00:05:13] Here I am with Adam with Donovan, I'll let you to vote Do you want to start with House of the Drag and it's explosive? Fourth episode are with the news that Zach Bryan invited the Hawk to a girl out to sing along in Nashville

[00:05:26] What are we covering first she was funny for about 30 hours? Oh That long When I say she was I mean the internet was funny about it for about 30 hours I just think about how much the world has changed since that that video. It's it's really shocking

[00:05:44] And it's funny too because the The whole world was like well here's your 10 seconds of fame Let's see what she does with it to make this weird and then she's on stage and now has she's trying to jockey

[00:05:57] Into a show right yeah, if there's one thing our listeners love it's dragons If there's two things her listeners love it's Chicago fine dining hmm house of the drag So what we'll start with house is that we lost drag race? It's a combo

[00:06:14] Yeah, we'll begin here. I'm just gonna run it down So we're gonna go spoilers now for that Fourth episode of houses dragon the red dragon in the gold was the name of it

[00:06:24] So if you haven't seen it we're usually a week behind just in case you haven't seen it though Some broad basics. It's taking a while for Queen Rinaira to get back from her posing as a nun at Kings Landing

[00:06:38] Yeah, and the yep and the council at Dragonstone are rightly pissed off if not a little misogynistic You'll know how yeah Well, you'll note how one of the night straightens his back up once Corleys the sea snake enters the room But once renairis is back. She

[00:06:53] Decides to make her play send a dragon and not just for surveillance. It's the short back-and-forth between Rainies yeah, it's the Queen who never was played by Eve best So it's it's quick back and forth between them when who's gonna go

[00:07:08] The final say goes to the princess the Queen that never was she's got an experienced dragon She's gonna go take care of business back at Kings Landing though the little other plots King Aegon the second

[00:07:22] His crews acting all like he's not in the room gives him little feelings of butthurt In fact and his own brother even accuses him of hiring meatheads for his king how dare he

[00:07:35] In fact sir Christian Cole and amen are making the moves to get the smaller castle of Rooks rest by the sea and Hell with her and Hall for now They have a plan that's the plan to draw out the enemies because they're just across the water

[00:07:48] Kind of close to Dragon stone draw out a dragon But the younger and taller brother the one out of amen didn't know he was also drawing out his older brother The King drunken Aegon flying in spurn from the staff meeting battling Zeus He was basically cracking open

[00:08:08] Don't fly dragons and drink This is common It was a little little pouch for a traveler her road soda somewhere on that He had road beers with him you see throwing the cans all over West Rose

[00:08:24] But like cans are scattered all up and down Kings Lane farmers are picking them out of their garden So they have plastic in West Rose in this world because it would have been hilarious if he had already I like two rings of the six pack done and like

[00:08:38] It was like cracking the third one off a great visual flies in Yeah He reaches into his satchel and this pulls out a thing of cold 40 God damn guys this fourth episode felt like I was back in some game of thrones I'm hot of the peak

[00:08:55] I'm gonna find it very hard to be critical about this episode because yeah find it hard to be critical about things that Fine. Yeah, just real to me

[00:09:05] Like where they just nailed it I will I will say that the parallels of the show on a political level in our own Country is astonishing. It's almost like the Simpsons predicting everything that comes after it Happens on track

[00:09:22] When right now when renaissance states that the people are going to back whomever You know, it doesn't matter what story we tell or who is actually truthfully the king or queen

[00:09:33] The people are just going to back whoever they want that the version of the story does not matter Does it sound familiar to anything? Wasn't that good enough? I'm not sure that has to be tied to today. Of course it can be but it's I

[00:09:45] Like it when stories nod to the power of story And they they have done that oh, yes Two episodes you can tell somebody took a lot of English classes in college here enjoying the the meta fiction there

[00:09:57] And you could yeah enjoy the in enjoy the tribalism that it's it's nodding to a little bit in our society Which has been happening forever, but yeah the story of the

[00:10:06] The facts of the ascension don't really matter. It's just who who has the strongest army and the strongest story at this point Absolutely Allison story is even though Allison story is true if mistaken Like it literally is the exact same as if she just made it up

[00:10:23] Yeah, and all the same moves would have happened if they were just trying to usurp the throne without there being like a True misunderstanding at the center of it Damon with his sleepless nights again the show is giving me a character

[00:10:37] I can relate to y'all have no idea how many times I've gotten up with insomnia only to find a Witchy woman in my kitchen who wants to chat about how my house is built on ancient trees and shit like that's marriage It's marriage

[00:10:53] But Damon's not married to Alice this is Alice River. She's a bastard child of that strong family Yes, maybe been there forever probably right? It's so funny that she's just you get the sense that if any of the actual people other

[00:11:08] Than David walked in the room they'd be like fuck this Still her shit. Yeah, you have an age today. You're still here I Was like you stop stop coming into our room and saying things

[00:11:23] This will be the last time I try to make the current events Damon in charge of a political discussion while being unable to discern Whom he's talking to It's got a little Joe in him there saying ain't so Joe Joe

[00:11:38] Joe Rogan who am I talking to right now? completely the Opposite direction of of Blaine trying to make it serious. I'm I'm enjoying Them just playing with John rest up where she's like, yeah, it's a big creepy got the castle who cares

[00:11:54] They're obviously having some fun with it too. Yeah, no, I was just yeah I've enjoyed it very much. I really love the a Cut no it was a cut but it was not a jump cut

[00:12:06] Where he was talking to Alice and then he was sitting at the table He drank the potion was it I don't know if we do and it's it's a cut and him doing the same thing

[00:12:16] Yeah, but he's at the table. He's not and he puts his glass down and just the look he plays it so well This is Matt Smith, of course. Well, you guys like him probably more than I

[00:12:24] Just you've seen him in more things and he plays it so perfectly where he's saying wait Wait, why am I here? Like I love that moment. It's a It's an LSD I think the problem made did I walk in this room?

[00:12:40] Maybe he got into the ale and then someone offered him some herb from the local field and he he mixed the two and here we are Go as I like weed. He got into the pipe weed

[00:12:51] The other great thing happening to Damon is that he's finally worked out his Psycho-sexual problems by beheading his in a dream so now he's not fucked up anymore But he sees himself in aiming now We're right to do a man like version of himself, right? Yeah

[00:13:09] I am not a fan of shows doing dreams to tell me more about a character. It's unless it's the Sopranos And madmen got away with it fairly well, but same creators there, you know, same same bloodline But this one was fun

[00:13:26] I thought it was okay how he was like kind of sort of dreaming that he was aiming. Amen is him I think we're in the kind of dream sequence where it's I guess it was presented as a dream

[00:13:38] But it also reads you brought up madmen like the episode where Don is at the pool party in California and You know has that insane Walk through the party and Megan's there and then he sees the the soldier and falls into the pool Yeah, classic classic sequence, but

[00:13:56] I'm with Donovan there. They're doing some some fun Genre play here and to ground it not just in like oh, he's kind of losing it, but This is a haunted castle. It's it's getting a pass. Yeah, it's cursed

[00:14:10] Donovan made it a point or helped us last week to say this castle's cursed He said it a couple times and it was kind of funny But it was so funny that non of them mentioned that last week and then I watched the episode that night

[00:14:20] And it was like oh yeah the castle's cursed donovan told me I felt like I felt learned It is I'm completely with you Adam and Blaine where like most of the time like anything but a dream Like what is the least interesting thing you can do well?

[00:14:35] There's two I'm gonna rank them for you number one most least interesting thing you can do describe your dream I don't give a shit number two in person interesting thing you can do tell me what happened during your Dungeons & Dragons game It's not I don't care

[00:14:51] Do you know people who do this? Yes, I have known them. We're not they're not coming over my house But it's like it is it is torture They're not allowed to remember when your half-elf said, you know what and it's like that didn't really happen though

[00:15:05] You rolled some dice. I don't You think the people telling you about their dreams is worse than that because that sounds far Yeah, because dreams are Dreams go on and on and on at least there's like some semblance of an end

[00:15:19] You never know you can never picture what they dreamed either is the city boy No, yeah, it's detailed as it can be you know where it's it's always So I hate I usually hated in books hated in movies because it never captures that

[00:15:32] Not always right but like if it's if it's not done. Well, it's like oh, this is so obviously a dream And it's telling me and it could never really capture that feeling of like Okay, I was at my house, but it was also Walmart

[00:15:44] So what's the point of having Damon go through this then so I doesn't work for you here It's working for me because and I completely agree with Adam here. It's got that hint of the supernatural, right? We are learning more about Damon

[00:15:58] But it's also it's a bit of a psychic attack on yeah, and it's materially affecting his future And it's even possibly making him face things about himself that he doesn't really think about because one gets the sense

[00:16:10] That he does not spend a lot of time thinking about his past actions They literally flew away from him right yeah I mean, and this you know his wife shut the woman he murdered, you know his first wife showed up to us So little skeletons in that closet

[00:16:25] Yeah, you still like Damon or I know I liked him. Do y'all like him at all like as a character Yeah, I mean I wouldn't want a part of sugar from him sugar we But as a character yet Matt Smith is great there is kind of like

[00:16:42] Something appeal or maybe not appealing but just like interesting about a character who's he's smart He's he's arrogant and proud, but he just kind of does whatever he wants So you don't really know what he's gonna do There's an almost like comedic element to it

[00:16:54] Not this episode but last episode where he strolls in and he's like I'm taking control of Heron Hall And it's like kind of funny because it's just been him by himself, but he also kind of pulls it off so

[00:17:04] Go back and watch about a minute of that scene where he dismisses the young toli kid Mm-hmm gets up from the table to dismiss him the look on his face is comedy. It's just like yeah, it's a fucking kid

[00:17:15] I'm not talking. He's like if you kill him come back. We'll talk Yeah, the poor kid was great is no he was such a decent little thing that he was asking anything extreme in his own opinion Like hey you want to kill him

[00:17:30] Right. He's like let me like plainly explain to you that you should have to me Oh, you follow the rules of your family. All right, we'll just kill the guy then Right how fast did our guy a gone the second download Duolingo after his staff meeting?

[00:17:48] How fast was he on his phone or Poor valerian. He can't even I start war that was one of the better You can't even you can't even fight off a valerian one of the better

[00:17:59] Postgame social media things that I saw was yeah, our IP a gone you would have loved Duolingo Oh, I even fucked him in the infallarian in front of Larry strong

[00:18:09] And when you fuck somebody over in front of Larry strong, you know, well clubfoot bastard's gonna tell everybody in Kingsland And he doesn't know what's being said No, but he's gonna go inside man. He fucked him well that is staff meeting

[00:18:21] I mean, I really did like that power move because it's like first off Telling him exactly what he thinks he's in valerian so you can get away with it

[00:18:29] But then it's like oh, he oh, he's also showing that he holds a gun and contempt in this area as well Damn, it was it was intense. It was so good. I'm with you Don. What a shift that was where you were like

[00:18:42] Oh, he's kind of make this a private conversation. Okay, cool. Wait. Oh shift gears. He's fucking him. Okay I really do like the guy who's playing a god We've said it pretty much every episode but like for someone who really could be a joffrey

[00:18:56] And we did just ceases do something very cruel hanging all the rat catchers He really just comes across as more hapless and pathetic like he wants to be better than he is but unfortunately He am who he is

[00:19:10] He wants to be one of the boys phrase Popeye. Yeah, it was a mom Allison She's as strong as a pole dark fence post as ever She's been and she deals with both Larry's and and son a gun after downing the plan B field

[00:19:24] I mean she's sitting there throwing up and like putting them both in their place I don't know. I feel like it Laris is really a snake, right? Like he's a bastard The fact that I got to talk to you his is victory enough for me says Laris

[00:19:38] God that guy he looks so much like Mikey day from Saturday night live that it throws me off but Good acting from this guy to be a weasel Game of Thrones needs a weasel and he's perfect. I don't know if this is quite correct here all English folks

[00:19:56] You can correct me But like there's almost like an element of like dramatic irony when he's dealing with some characters because like we the audience members are like Oh, we've seen it all he's a snake, but then if you really watch his perform

[00:20:08] Like if you watch him in the small council, he's so good at being like I'm not saying anything but the truth and I'm not being insulting I'm just you know, he's the classic like I'm just asking questions here guy

[00:20:19] I really like that performance because it's like I the audience member know like oh, he's a snake But you can also see like convincingly be like yeah, this is why a gone would be dumb enough to trust him

[00:20:29] Because he can seem trustworthy. Yeah, they're gone. It's just naive pretty bad. I got naive too Yeah, you notice a month. Amen isn't telling Larry saw his secrets Uh dragon battle dope Fuck yeah, just not only that like the dragon battle was great The special effects look great

[00:20:49] But how good was like even the conventional battle when they're like advance it, you know like the the castle's firing You know the arrows and crossbows down and it looks great And then all of a sudden it just kicks into the next notch with the dragons. It looked

[00:21:06] Fantastic it gave me a jump scare when Varys come comes out from behind the castle and kills Was it malaria's dragon? I do wish the CGI could improve just a little bit when it switches to the rider on the dragon

[00:21:19] You can't have it all but yeah, that would be a perfect moment to see a gone down in those He ain't Dorsen Who jumps on a dragon first off the north Peterson of Flea Bottoms whore houses and beer joints or the sea snakes

[00:21:35] Corleys who hasn't been seen on a dragon at all, but certainly he's got the bloodline and the motivation Yeah, he does doesn't he oh Yeah, yeah, right he's valerian straight. I forgot about the right

[00:21:49] He's got the weight here duh the huge visual cue and he's gonna be pissed Presumably but who we mean do you not think he's gonna be angry? Oh Wonder yeah, he loved her it's it's complex. Yeah We'll see how it unfolds and speculating is kind of dumb

[00:22:09] But like I feel like part of me that feels like Corleys is like the character to me is solid enough that like part of him Is I'm furious at Reneira and I'm having the emotional reaction and part of him is like I am

[00:22:21] I understand the decision that was made and also that my wife chose this you know and Perhaps this will be competing impulses within him. Yeah He's gonna funnel that into

[00:22:36] The right area right you think you think he's a decent enough guy. We'll see maybe he's gonna be angry I mean, they did clearly did love each other, right? Like there's the Really well where they're both like kind of proud people But they also convey real affection

[00:22:53] For each other It's really yeah, yeah She's so good. Maybe a step above Ned Stark and his wife. Well, Ned couldn't even tell the truth to his wife

[00:23:05] Yeah, Ned did not the reason why I'm putting him a step above is cuz Ned and his wife had a little Still had disagreements over John Snow hanging around or whatever. That's true Not much of a series if he just tells the truth and has a happy marriage

[00:23:21] I Mean as a quote that harkens back exactly to what you two Have an interest in when he claims that basically They need armies because that's how wars are fought and dragons are the

[00:23:35] Things behind the armies of men and it turns out the men and the armies are just there to catch some dragonfire You know what I mean? It's like a little I kind of like how they're they're putting it We're like it has heft words

[00:23:48] You do have these really powerful massive flamethrower dinosaurs That you can deploy but also like wars are still one with like if you're gonna take and hold ground You need soldiers. Do you know how sometimes when it's like? Yes, it's not real

[00:24:03] But like there's there's realism to my fantasy that makes me like buy into it more Yeah, so like that's that's doing it for me where it's like okay And this sometimes I think would people get like really obsessed over the rules of something

[00:24:14] It's like you're not enjoying it anymore But for this it's like okay like kind of set set the platter for me and then and I'm enjoying it Man, we got some really really like monster movie shots as the dragons are

[00:24:27] Fighting and landing don't being and just like you know, it doesn't matter whose side you're on when vagar lands on you, right? Yeah, exactly. No those post dragon set pieces the post attack Set pieces just did a perfect reminder of how brutal those attacks can be

[00:24:45] And was again a scary look at how maybe something like napalm That's to me would have been it harken back more to depictions of brutality in World War one the idea. I know that they're supposed to be the nuclear bombs of their

[00:24:59] Their time and place but the way that Kristen Cole does his walk. It's like this he's in no man's land something Something so horrific has happened that they didn't even have the context to understand up until this point

[00:25:14] So not only is his is this army shattered, but like their conception of reality and warfare is also Yeah, just in tatters Sean Collins writing for the New York Times said he was something that I agree with which is as they set everything up

[00:25:31] You know like with a gone writing Sunfire in like the score and the camera work and everything kind of underscores Like these are really beautiful magnificent Korea

[00:25:40] I mean they're the last of their kind like if they were lost that would be terrible and it completely mixes that with They're also terrible terrible monsters Mm-hmm that

[00:25:51] Like Adam said right Kristen no stranger to battle right? He's just beheaded the you know one of the the Tully's got You know he's pretty but he's rattled because this is something He's that's an excellent point that he is wielding brutality throughout the episode and then

[00:26:07] Just seems like a broken man at the end like he's he's encountered something that he has no concept of Look good on paper to him, but yeah, I use napalm as my example because I was thinking about this while I watch

[00:26:21] The only thing that keeps it from being maybe like atomic bomb is there's no leftover radiation Like I don't think you're gonna be in trouble too much if you're around sure But just the catastrophic nature and the way that they oh, yeah, you know

[00:26:36] Raniera you see her doing the math of like I don't want to kill people, but if I use the dragons will that stop more Fighting and that's maybe the classic argument for the bomb is that it's a preventative measure

[00:26:49] The whole thing was just it was intense and you talk about the the loss of those dragons You know Sunfire the the Kings dragon is supposed to be In the lore like the most beautiful one that's ever lived or something like that and it just gets completely

[00:27:05] Wrecked this episode they did such a for a guy that you as y'all talked about earlier could be a Joffrey level Hatred, you know, there's a gift that keeps getting posted of his dragon kind of nosing his chest before they take off

[00:27:21] And break your heart nice moment. Yeah, that was that was good Right where it's like Joffrey could never have a dragon because you know he's the sociopath a gun He actually has he can actually feel affection. Well, and he's also just been told by his mom

[00:27:34] Don't do anything. You're useless and he you know gets drunk and says I'll show you that's like the last The last in a line of people that he loved kind of Being cold and distant using him and then he encounters this one

[00:27:50] The one thing that maybe actually likes him is his dragon off together. I mean, it's basically his puppy, right? Yeah, it's his puppies childhood puppy. Yeah You know And he's dead. I'm guessing right we assume egg on the second. It's dead

[00:28:05] The scenes from next week and it seems that's what I'm bodies in Kings Landing Yeah, oh well I was going by something that was in the teaser for next week that said Amon's in control

[00:28:15] Or he's in charge now. Amen because a gun's knocked out right but because he's incapacitated Right, that's what I mean not dead. I mean presumably He's is the heir apparent if a gun is killed as as a man himself seems to know quite well based on his actions

[00:28:31] If a gun is dead or dies you're fully on the side of the blacks and rain era, right? Like there's no redeeming qualities of the greens Maybe Allison. I don't know Allison. Do you have any love for the greens? I do have a little bit of lake

[00:28:49] Auto high tower seems like ruthless and ambitious but also like not Completely uninterested in ruling well He's he's the classic Republican if you will At least from where I sit on the political spectrum

[00:29:07] He I heard Stephen Malcolm has talked about the chaos of the last few years in America and how it feels like for You know, however long there's been some guy with a crew cut who was like pressing a button somewhere under Washington, DC

[00:29:22] To make sure that everything stays on track You know and even if you don't really like the guy it's like that guys he's committed doing his job That's perfect. Oh, I kind of enjoy auto getting his I'm not gonna lie

[00:29:35] Oh, yeah, and Allison's brother is kind of a snot too. So yeah, he's crazy about him Honestly, I'm in like he's not a hero but like as a protagonist though. I'm kind of interested right like what did take over huh

[00:29:49] It felt asinine for the internet to question whether Aiman meant to kill Aegon or not I thought he totally meant to hurt him. I don't think there was any

[00:29:58] I'm gonna just barely punish him because I knew what the dragon could do had sir Kristen Cole not showed up It was I think pretty heavily suggested that Aiman would have been slitting a gone through

[00:30:09] Right, this is an askew all is that that that's how that scene is supposed to play But you've you've just seen The most massive dragon in the world wielded in that way like what's to stop

[00:30:20] Why how is Kristen Cole gonna stop him if he decides to kill his brother? It's a good question. Maybe he still has some respect for Cole Maybe he's thinking about further questions of legitimacy, right?

[00:30:32] Like there's always gonna be the you know when he comes to the throne like he doesn't want whispers that he's a brother killer in That way well and he does like Cole right like Arthur

[00:30:41] He's the one that earlier in the season their scenes have been planning war together Yeah, right. So the the whole battle which should have before

[00:30:49] Amen ruined it. I mean a gone. Sorry was it was Cole and amens? Yeah, and like not only like not only was the battle They're playing like the strategy has been their plan to where a gone's like take heron haul and their amens explaining to him

[00:31:03] Why that's too big waste of time what why heron haul is a metaphor for Vietnam? but if you are ambitious enough to There's plenty of people who saw his dragon attack his brother. What's to stop you from?

[00:31:17] Just turning around. I mean maybe he couldn't take Kristen Cole on Cole's a pretty good sword, you know Maybe he doesn't want to lose me a good Good battle to watch odds to anything. He thinks he would have lost Cole as an ally had he very clearly killed

[00:31:32] I don't know. It's just Oh, I do I do read it is as I punished him You know, I've got my lick in well I mean, I like the scene because it's not certain so it's like all of these questions. They're kind of swirling around

[00:31:46] We were like oh yeah, he was probably gonna do them in but we can't be Certain cuz he doesn't And Cole does arrive has anyone made a cut of that scene with like the doors playing underneath it or something

[00:32:01] You've got me thinking about Vietnam now I say Westeros why does it have to be Westeros? Okay, let's take a break and on the other side we're gonna talk a little bit about the back half of the bear Yeah, we're gonna continue and even

[00:32:27] Get close to finalizing our thoughts on this most recent season of the bear which is made its third season all available at once on Hulu Didn't the first season do two episodes a week

[00:32:37] Something I feel like it was a weekly thing and I remember people talking about I can't wait to watch this week's Mm-hmm Yeah, we will be spoiling episodes five six

[00:32:51] Seven and eight. Yeah, we'll do them all but the last two if you if you want to stick around for that And in fact even animals dug out before we get all the way through what we're planning episode five

[00:33:05] Children don't you know it was there was something about this episode where it didn't hit for me unless No, let me back up. I'm gonna I'm gonna change my opinion It did hit for me because I kept the title of the episode in mind

[00:33:20] Mm-hmm, which is an odd ask for an audience Especially if they don't show the title before the episode starts when you see Karmie as the next generation and Oliver Platt's Cicero in the episode hovering over the whole operation with the computer being brought in that guy

[00:33:40] It works fairly well This was an episode that should have gotten on my nerves and somehow never dead Actually, I actually enjoyed it Why should it have gotten on your nerves like there was emotional heavy stuff going on But there's a lot of facts in it

[00:33:58] But it actually actually really worked for me like I think a fact attack really could heal this nation Just they do such a good job of like the uncle Jimmy has stuff to say and compute You know, they're really trying to figure stuff out and it's very stressful

[00:34:12] And then at the same time they've got like, you know Neil like my number one best friend Karmie Like he's just really like these goofballs who are just trying their best They work here too

[00:34:26] When you look at it through the lens of children, you know get Karmie is the next generation You got but Sydney and Marcus, especially because they are children moving on for two different reasons, but also similar

[00:34:37] On what on moving on one wants to be just become an adult on her own with their with their own thing And Marcus of course because of the loss. So it's like an end of an era episode

[00:34:48] And then you get the closing of chef Terry's restaurant jumping in there so there is a motif that's that works throughout even though it felt almost like a not too much of Happening episode. Well, and you even have uncle Jimmy talking with Sydney too, right?

[00:35:05] It's talking about the children, right? Like maybe I should have done more than more, you know Like all through depth and then of course you have the love that are the three facts, right? They're also children Yeah, in adult body in multiple meanings

[00:35:23] Yeah, it did have a little too much of them here and I saw that complaint online from different people That's the part where I was like this really should have annoyed me But like overall I was charmed like I think they used John Cena a little too much

[00:35:38] But I was like I had no idea that was gonna be the third fact and I was like this is this is such a great Joke that this is gonna be Sammy fact Yeah, and then like a lot of the haunting stuff was actually pretty funny

[00:35:50] And then the another like any opportunity to display the the facts like aggressively non-toxic masculinity where he like says the password and then John Cena's like thank you I love you. I love you too

[00:36:06] Interesting. I had thought about it as a non-toxic masculine of the facts. That's good. No, they're great They're like a bunch of like meathead bros, but they're also not afraid to say they love someone Adam does Sydney staring at the docusign email and not clicking on it

[00:36:23] Does that remind you too much of when I send you the invite link to this podcast? It was a an odd shot-for-shot recreation of something that I thought was private to be honest with you

[00:36:39] It it felt a little bit like a like not too much of of action not too much plot progression episode I don't know though with the computer coming in and explaining you got it

[00:36:49] You got to do these kinds of cuts for the restaurant to even have a chance. There's a stakes episode, right? Like they have to establish That there is something It's easy for I wanted two and a half seasons now. It's like we got to chase Karmie's

[00:37:05] Dream obviously it took some convincing for them, but at its in its true to life that People have been sold a bit of a pie in the sky if we can just do this

[00:37:16] Everything's gonna work out and he even has people tell him right like you got to take us there You got whatever it's like well getting them there through, you know, whatever Karmie's ordering more microgreens sort of going to therapy thing that he's doing

[00:37:30] Is not is maybe not the best business decision There was resonance and this is just complete feeling on my part But for whatever the episode was doing emotionally in Karm saying about the the restaurant that's closing chef Terry's restaurant

[00:37:47] I thought it would be there for last forever and sugar saying most things don't you know, that seemed like that was also Shooting under the you know because it's I mean it's the sad truth right like think of your favorite restaurant ever It's not gonna last forever

[00:38:03] Nothing does Pizza Hut still around Pizza Hut is has just faded from its glory dance. Oh, there's no doubt about that It does not it does not last forever conversation for another day. I do

[00:38:17] Often find myself with this show wondering man, how do they make such a line like that? Like you're talking about with sugar saying nothing lasts forever How do they make that resonate and then gut punch you so well so fast Is it the the track they've laid beforehand?

[00:38:34] I think then they're just constantly it's almost like an impressionistic assault on you at all times would like the volume and How rapid the conversation is and all these things when she says a line like that you think well, there's a lot

[00:38:49] If you just take Karm for example like he's engaged in in his life That has been very important and all those things have gone away yet He can't escape this family Like the family is the thing that that sticks around and that they're highlighting over and over again

[00:39:03] And they kind of double down on that with the intensity with which she defended Marcus Yeah, like an adopted member of I thought that was great. Yeah, that was good Yeah

[00:39:14] I I would forgive at least from for my viewing of it to some props to Jeremy Allen whites the way he plays Karmie just because right as sugar says that you know It's it's set up by his performance as you know

[00:39:28] He is so closed off from people and yet He does try and be vulnerable and I feel like that was a thing where he's like I'm trying to share my inner Thoughts, but I'm also reserved and closed off and can't and so that kind of like being primed

[00:39:42] By that for it like that kind of thing was like, you know, like it's hitting me, but it's hitting him too mm-hmm And then yeah, I agree with everything Adam said especially about the family

[00:39:54] Let's discuss episode six. It's the last one Adam will be around to discuss. It's called napkins. I'll open with this Statement Tina's 30 minute origin story is as interesting and full of danger as any two-hour Marvel or DV per DC movie And did you see directed that episode?

[00:40:14] Yes, it's the young lady play Sydney area. It did I thought she did an excellent job Perfect put that right out in front. I'm like wow then I looked up how old she was and I wanted to jump off the roof

[00:40:25] I mean Tina says it. I don't need to save the world. I just need to feed my kid That is so great. It's brutal. Yeah, but it's so funny too that The the director of the episode was a you know, I assume the youngest

[00:40:40] Star on the cast yes, she probably is pretty pretty young and they cast yes But but that hole I don't want to save the world I want to feed my kids like to eat those of the entire show and what makes it special in human

[00:40:52] Well, and even I was alluding to what they riff on trying not to resent young people who were Shutting down opportunities for them just being jealous of them I thought that was good. No, this is then I would have for sure

[00:41:07] She does on like every front possible. Yeah, it was they played with how Aware we are of her personality at times like when she's talking to the the young guy who won't even Give her eye contact to tell her that

[00:41:24] The little LinkedIn hasn't been updated or whatever. You're like well eventually she's gonna slap this guy for sure did it and She they wait until the very end and she finally bangs on the counter

[00:41:35] Drops a few good f bombs and rolls out. I was you know, I've gotten little pieces on social media of I'll realize it's gonna be a spoiler and I'll turn the car around and run People were complaining about The Tina episode shit. Why this is

[00:41:52] This was the best episode that I've seen so far maybe ever of the show. I would say but Give me all the John Bernthal you got Whatever you got in the barrel fire it away to me because I will watch him play a pained

[00:42:09] Ashkilling but not toxic kind of thing again not to bring that back around but he's got this sincere I'm tough, but I'm also not that tough. He truly loves his baby brother. He's not afraid. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I

[00:42:26] Don't think this is really a theme or maybe it is a theme of this episode But it's just something it did for me too was like Something that kind of like sometimes breaks my heart when I think about or think about it

[00:42:39] I thought I think was showed by this episode where it's it's like something that is like so little for you is So it could be so huge for someone else

[00:42:46] So like for the people living there, you know, like the people that didn't update LinkedIn or whatever. There's nothing But like that was huge for Tina But Richard giving her a cup of coffee and then a sandwich was massive. That can be so yeah Like that is so

[00:43:02] Heartbreaking when you think about like that is not a big deal for me, but it was everything for Tina her prolonged conversation with Mikey was lengthy but did not

[00:43:14] Last too long for me. No, it was good. They both did a good job. She got to really nailed like you said Blaine she got to really Hammer the lines home, you know, and I think at least for me

[00:43:29] Worked what she's saying which I think is true, right? Like she's like, I don't need to be inspired I don't need to do what I just want to feed my kids Resonates to because like, you know, she seemed very unsure of herself this season and

[00:43:41] She is kind of taking that chance on doing more than just feeding her kids, right? chasing that unit so it's Yeah, I don't know that worked for me. I took my daughter to see the movie if Ryan Reynolds John Krodzinski vehicle and

[00:43:58] She played a nurse. She had a little she had a small role in it and I was like, oh it's Tina She's great But Berndtall Mikey Berndtall's Mikey Noticing that a dream life was not coming to him when he was a kid

[00:44:15] Was just like another layer of his addiction and in the softest way possible You know, it's not like saying it's not showing him hovering over a mirror with a straw up his nose And you're just going God. He's addicted. Oh shit. Please get out of it Mikey

[00:44:31] It's him saying well when I was a kid and went to the office and all these people had their lives together And I realized that ain't gonna happen to me. I was like, well me that's painful

[00:44:40] I mean in the same speech it's never said but it's the same reason he has the restaurant, right? Yeah Adam it starts with a free cup of black coffee by the way you and I

[00:44:51] We believe that life starts with a free black cup of coffee. Don't we I still remember every free cup of coffee I've ever gotten The way to your heart last one was on 65 North kind of close to the Coleman at the loves

[00:45:07] I said, you know, I don't worry about it today. And I just Coasted for the rest of my drive. It was great Adam now works at that loves Little trivia Tina Tina is married to the man who plays her husband. I RL. Oh, that's cool

[00:45:23] That's her real husband an easy chemistry between the two of them Yeah, it was and that makes sense right I was shocked. I thought Tina was a Single mom and then when you see him in the shot, you're like wait

[00:45:36] Who's that? He's still around, you know, this is 2018 That's true. Yeah, but I guess she's never really said that she's a single mom I just always assumed which is horrible of me to know

[00:45:48] I actually agreed like when I when the first second when she's has the cup of coffee And she's sitting at the table and she's there. I'm like, it's like the landlord Yes

[00:46:01] Yes, how they were dressing look like a pilot almost for a second. I was like what he is Really it really threw me for a loop for a minute there. Yeah, oh, oh Tina's married. I think they did a few things there of Showing that

[00:46:16] The level of struggle that's possible even if you're in like the ideal Situation, you know like that we assume she was a single mom It's like no it can just be really hard even if you're like doing all the things right friend still goes up, right?

[00:46:29] Yeah, yeah, and what you said about is he a pilot like giving him like a a Jacket and a tie and a sharp-looking name tag. It's like what it what do they do that?

[00:46:39] You know it played with that for sure and he was a doorman you didn't find that out to layer You know, I'm yeah, well when she mentioned like it's an extra three bucks an hour. It's like, okay He's definitely right

[00:46:52] But you know, I mean we don't know what he does and then we says he's a doorman. It's like oh, yeah, that totally makes sense Adam's gonna duck out because I don't have and I have two more episodes

[00:47:00] We will talk through and then we'll do two more next week Episode seven's legacy. This is the question. I think everyone in the world reckons with whether they stare at the in its face or not as

[00:47:14] Whether we stare it in the faces directly as Carm, Marcus and Sydney do here What do we want our legacy to be? Yeah, you know, what's your answer there for me personally? Yeah Have you ever thought about it? Yeah all the time really not just not just true

[00:47:26] Well because it kind of comes back to like Even like a big big big big questions, right? Which is like what what is the purpose of humanity, right?

[00:47:34] Mm-hmm, but for some people believe there is no purpose to humanity, right? Some people that's fair like humanity has a destiny to do X y or z right and these are all kind of conflicting things

[00:47:45] So you do kind of have to think about when you think about your legacy you kind of have to think about what was I meant to be doing? Here yeah, what should I be doing and you and you have an answer you said or you've thought about it

[00:47:56] I've thought about it. You know, I think my answer would probably more idealistic than than anything else But all okay kind of crib for Marcus, right? I want people to say that like he was kind he was funny like as kind as he could be

[00:48:10] He was funny. He was a good emergency contact. You know, that's pretty good. That's so good That's a good line. I thought that was especially because like I don't feel I Love and appreciate art. I'm not gonna create a great work of art

[00:48:23] Mm-hmm. I enjoy my job and I enjoy my co-workers. I'm not gonna be like The best there ever was at it right now like I'm not I'm probably not like in a hundred years It would be doubtful that anyone really knows my name

[00:48:37] See that you kind of think about too like okay if that's if I'm just kind of like an average person What am I creating? And ideally something probably close to what mark I think it's kind of what Marcus is saying right?

[00:48:49] He's like I want to sit down to say I did the best they could yeah Yeah, I just want to be a good dad. That's a great. Yeah. Well, you're not gonna want to know the park based on Hey, that was that was another thing

[00:48:59] I was gonna float with you instead of sending dilly bars to people can the winners of our if our various Contest just get like a pick me up video call from Andy just do that

[00:49:10] That would be that would be a print that would be a prize. I believe yeah for the list Listeners, here's a treat for you little little behind the scenes Andy made a my daughter

[00:49:20] I probably shouldn't say her name one air but she I talked her into making a Pick me up video for Adam just about it being too hot and having to work outside with his Kodakrom gardens and

[00:49:33] Yeah, I think it might have worked for that day absolutely. She absolutely nailed it when she's like hi Adam Because it's hot Yeah, well, she's really really good at that being positive and picking you up. She's great. She will tell me Interior

[00:49:53] Yeah, yeah, I was I was kind of wondering too You sort of alluded to you know, you're thinking about your legacy with with Tina's thing is like she wants to be a good mom Right. Yeah I think that's something that clearly resonates with you

[00:50:06] Right like and she she basically says that almost says I don't even care what the fucking job He is just give me enough money so I can feed my kid. This is what's important

[00:50:14] We're what I think is like true for many of us, right? Like we do I mean like in an ideal world. Yes I'd love to be just following my dreams every second of the day But you know like at the end of the day, you know like honestly

[00:50:28] Like I'm not gonna make anything that lasts for more than a hundred years So did I help the people I could did I take care of it? You know like did I do my that's what I'm creating

[00:50:37] That's my legacy. Yeah in a way and it's it fits perfectly on How I've been reading this season the season to me is a lot about children and nothing says legacy like the kids

[00:50:49] You leave for the rest of the world. How are they gonna act? How are they gonna treat others in the world? Will they improve things or not? For calm the restaurant is his child and it's his way to make right way. He couldn't even have a part making

[00:51:02] Right or wrong with this brother. Miss family his brothers overdose and his and his mom's dysfunction it's just an episode that showed us that At least as far as calm's concerned, he might be afraid of success as much as he is a failure

[00:51:17] Yeah, it's all scary. I'm trying to chew on that. It's all scary, isn't it? I'm thinking about because and I'm thinking about calm, you know And I think this is sort of an easy analogy, right?

[00:51:29] But the restaurant is definitely his child, right and the people and the restaurant are really very much like an ad hoc Family yes, I think that I mean I think that's a dumb easy comparison, but I also know what it's like

[00:51:43] You know, they're another thing that they and this is the whole show not the whole season But they've done such a good job of like, you know how there's nobody knows you better than your family, right?

[00:51:53] And like that there's like the good in that, you know like in the Bruce Springsteen song, right? Nothing feels better than blood-on-blood. Mm-hmm, and then there's there's so good at like the pain that that can bring to

[00:52:04] Yeah, that like personally is scary for calm his personal family and then Maybe this this new family right this new this child slash You know group of nurse maids that that takes care of it. Yeah, it's reminiscent of the saying you hear in certain programs

[00:52:27] That your family can push your buttons well because they installed them That's a good point And which is what's happening to calm and you know with Richie and even some of the other relatives that pop up

[00:52:40] I will say one of the things that this episode also does well is it continued to make me laugh like it but in like ways that are Useful like we get the parallel between Carm and Sydney when she's losing her mind

[00:52:57] Over the unbroken down cardboard boxes in the dumpster. Just as I saw Carm do a couple episodes and it was funny Yeah, break the God damn boxes down. It's one of the non negotiables

[00:53:08] You know and then you have like Neil fact not Neil fact Neil facts brothers name I can't ever Ted. Thanks, you know asking about the this the what's his face to Somalia about baseball? Oh

[00:53:21] What a rich scene and like it was it was sad because he's like, you know, I wish I'd known What I could have been Which is that's kind of that really kind of break my god damn that was a rich thick scene there

[00:53:35] But also there's like something about his his goofiness Ted facts goofiness and just like kind of the fact that he asked and he appreciated it. He's like I saw you play I appreciated you and

[00:53:47] Just even that he asked I think like he kind of felt seen I think mm-hmm I was like this more to me than just this job in this suit like you saw part another part of who I am

[00:53:55] Right, but it's still maybe that because he's just so goofy about it Yes, and it works. It works well as a the tones perfect The guys a former minor league player and Ted knowing about him from betting not because he was like oh I'm just you know

[00:54:10] I went to all the games and I'm a man and I saw you it's betting And but it still established a mutual admiration for either of them in a very simple three-minute conversation of the show Oh, man. That was good. It was good another very quick

[00:54:23] Even maybe less than three minutes was when Carms at the meeting at the beginning. He's at the group meeting and yeah This is elevated writing you don't get one those shows where you get an unseen speaker off camera

[00:54:35] And they're telling what an apology can be if you don't make it soon enough that it just is something that stuck now It's better written than what I just said, but yeah, yeah, it's rich stuff there, too I really liked

[00:54:48] Both you know the preface of the person saying like okay She said it and she's apologized And how her part's done and I still have to live with what she did to me

[00:54:57] And then this woman saying that because Karm very obviously struggles with with his words and to express himself And some bad as anyone and so and sometimes it goes Disaster say right like at the end of last season

[00:55:12] So I thought there was a lot of that right because it's like I mean we already we see that with Richie right it has parallels to Richie right who's still hurt

[00:55:21] It is parallel obviously with Claire who we haven't yet seen this season it is parallels with many people in his life Yeah, I'll say this this was just another piece of comedy that stuck with me

[00:55:31] I did enjoy that they hired the old crew back for the rest beef sand or the Italian Bryant sandwiches Oh, yeah, we got more of an elaboration on haunting

[00:55:42] You know yes. Oh, yeah, he hired me like fifth grade until I don't know eighth grade. Yeah, it's not like Like yeah, it's not a ghost this is serious. Yes He's not dead Not go stuff. This is serious. It's so goofy

[00:55:58] It's it's it can be annoying. I can see if somebody came along said no I found the haunting the ghost of too much or too annoying You sold me but I'm kind of with you

[00:56:08] Like I should be annoyed by this but it just because they like had a whole break They had the Tina episode and then they bring back haunting and it's like Like like just the callback was good like they're not overdoing it

[00:56:21] They're not having John Cena mug his way through another scene. They're just building on it with the game. Oh, the fact he mugged Oh, he did. Yeah, which I mean was what he was supposed to do and I sure

[00:56:33] Truly enjoyed it is like he's having fun. They're having fun performance. How about one of the facts actually being in shape? And nice looking. It's so good, right cuz like that joke is funny And then when they're talking to their uncle it's like we got a shape

[00:56:50] Tell your old man I hate over whatever Just helps make them more real more human and this shows as human as it gets We'll shift into episode eight be the last one we covered this week. It's ice chips

[00:57:03] It's it's cliche to mention but I will say that the bear and this episode in particular does The epitome of showing and not telling see I don't know the specifics of DD and her kids and that dysfunction

[00:57:17] But I also know it deeply. Yeah, how it feels on screen It's incredible that in two episodes basically the first one with her the feast of the seven fish

[00:57:29] Fishes or whatever it is and then this one with some of the stuff sugar says about like I was scared Mmm all the time or the stuff that she's talking about like I made myself sick trying to make you happy

[00:57:42] It's like I know exactly what your life was like. Yeah, two episodes I know exactly what your childhood was like. I know why you're afraid all the time I know why you're always afraid. You'll never be good enough

[00:57:54] But they didn't yeah, a lot of sure they just put it in yeah Yeah, right a lot of shows would want to do like a flashback scene and give you an exact

[00:58:03] Replication of what that was that abuse or neglect or dysfunction look like Jamie Lee Curtis speaks volumes in between The lines in this one is I don't want to sound crazy But is Jamie Lee Curtis like is she a good actor has anyone talked about this

[00:58:20] Is she like you know, she's stellar Really living this character episode captured so well was like what being stuck in a room with a crazy person is like Like even a well-meaning crazy person. Yes in this episode. She was well-meaning

[00:58:34] Yeah, she's still a crazy person and sugar is still stuck with her. Oh, I felt it. Yeah, I got so nervous I got so nervous that I was gonna be stuck in her with her in this episode as a

[00:58:45] Audience maybe yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's great like you almost want to to take You know Jamie Lee Curtis does such an excellent job of like I guess this is acting right? This is that X factor right because it's like the energy that she's exuding

[00:58:58] You almost want to just be like sit still sit still from him please like you're It's a Excellent episode. I admit I teared up a couple of times in this episode I can't exactly remember where I didn't know it, but I did their reconciliation was touching them

[00:59:17] Yeah, you know what I really found good and interesting is her the mother's I can't think of her name It's something with a D Dana or thanks Dona's ability to Hear what sugar is saying to her and actually try to listen and not throw it in her face

[00:59:35] Yeah, and say that she you know like she's trying she's working if I heard that from my child or Most people everyone's natural tendency right is to be defensive, right? Oh, I'm sorry. I was such a horrible mother

[00:59:47] Yeah, I'm sorry. You had such a bad luck, you know say something like that instead of Listening, you know hearing and that was Pretty intense You know frankly and for sugar to be the to think about her her end of it too

[01:00:01] Yeah saying those things sugar has a lot of patience with for her more so than I would have she does she does I was really worried that Donna was Not gonna let Pete just come in and be a dad

[01:00:16] But she goes back into the lobby and kind of has sad moment of post reconciliation I suppose yeah, she's crazy and she did a lot of harm, but also there's a lot of Maybe courage isn't the right word but like grace and her stepping aside in that moment

[01:00:32] And it truly way people see something else, but it doesn't seem resentful, right? Like she lets Pete come up to her hug her Tell her how he loves her Gives him some advice and then she kind of she's like this isn't my moment which I thought was really

[01:00:48] Really good because you know even we see throughout, you know right at the beginning when she's talking to the nurse Right, it's like she's doing her best and she still can't help but make it about her when she's like telling the story about

[01:01:01] Some friend that told her she could adopt from someone a baby from overseas And she's like what a fucking bitch and you know poor sugars in the bed Literally having a baby next to her or she tells her she's got her father's ass great

[01:01:15] It's like yeah that that this is another example of like how good it's like crazy You know crazy people to say whatever comes into their head. It's great. Yeah, but I did

[01:01:26] Appreciate that and I appreciate actually even though it was kind of goofy. It's like all the facts again But when they show up and sit with her Yeah point him a little bit me. I agree with that I felt it how anxiety inducing was it for you to?

[01:01:42] Think that maybe she never really did call Pete. Oh Yeah, I was not a hundred percent sure the whole time She's like I left a message But it's like even if she had called and left a man

[01:01:53] You're probably all known people who have done this right like you called and left a message and like what you've said You think you've said one thing but like what any normal sane person would hear is completely different

[01:02:04] Yeah, I like that and I like that they left it To be a part of the anxiety of the episode But at the end when you do find out that yes, she did call Pete. He's there

[01:02:13] It kind of shows you that a lot of her dysfunction and bad child rearing isn't Malicious all the time or at least purposefully malicious. Yeah, it's more You know, I think what kind of just crazy

[01:02:29] These are the seven fishes dead it really well is it and alcohol like kind of She she makes it all about her right and she demands Love and attention from people in a very specific way and can't

[01:02:44] It's like almost like a self-defeating way too because she's she's like Wants to be loved and have that attention so much that it it's destructive. Does that make sense? Yeah, a little narcissistic

[01:02:56] Yeah, and so yeah, it's not a little ism and maybe it's it's not that it's necessarily malice But it is careless right it's thought. Yes. It's like, you know, you have been entrusted with this child

[01:03:08] How do you think your actions make that person feel? You know people die from carelessness too, right? Yeah Alright well next week we're gonna definitely tackle the last two episodes of this season of the bear

[01:03:21] You can bet we'll talk House of the Dragon seems to be the agenda going forward We'll be back next week. I don't see why not But in order to stay posted sign up for the newsletter on the Alabama take or follow taking it down on any socials

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