Marvel's Scared Money, 'Presumed Innocent' Finale, New Netflix Series 'The Decameron,' and More

[00:00:01] Hey everyone, thanks for joining us. We'll get Adam and Autumn in here very soon It's just me for now your editor-in-chief of the Alabama Taken host of this podcast quick note

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[00:01:25] I'm gonna talk a little presumed innocent here, which aired on Apple TV And has finished. I thought it lived up to everything it was gonna do The finale was quite good Surprised me. I'm seeing online that it's surprised a lot of people and I won't spoil anything here

[00:01:47] I'll just say that if you're the type of person who wants to wait for all of the episodes to drop because you can't Stand waiting on What happens next? There's a lot of cliffhangers at the end of some of these episodes You're pleased now that they're all available

[00:02:04] Jake Gyllenhaal and Ruth Nega as husband and wife They do amazing jobs in this finale, especially Ruth Nega at the end of the finale But you know Jake Gyllenhaal giving his final statement just well acted all around Very persuasive And then he comes home to his wife Barbara

[00:02:29] They have this talk. It's it's a gear shift and it's interesting and it holds your tension Yeah, I do suggest this But kudos to Peter Sarsgard I'm going to spoil one thing so hit that 30 minute skip button for two times if you need to but to me

[00:02:53] Here comes the spoiler Peter Sarsgard's the hero of this show. I mean he had my sympathy. It's just painfully Awkward with people especially with women. He lived alone. His main concern was his cat He was just honestly just really bad socially and it cost him

[00:03:15] Maybe some of our Empathy as viewers for a while Okay, spoilers are over As for the reveal I was good with it Throughout the season. I think there were a few quirks that might have needed iron out

[00:03:31] But look not every T's gonna cross not every eyes gonna dot David E. Kelly's the primary writer and he can just turn them out He usually writes something propulsive watchable nothing just Insanely eloquent or the most grand thoughtful

[00:03:51] Peace on humanity, but still it's a good show, you know, it's not serious capital S television But it's still like good entertaining well acted well written I'm good with that so go binge it if you haven't seen it it gets my recommendation and

[00:04:10] Second season's coming apparently so not apparently it is it's been announced, so Let's get it Adam and Donovan in here and begin our show proper What about the Olympics oh Man we need if America doesn't put its big

[00:04:36] I don't mean like Republican weirdos when I say this American eat the but its biggest weirdos on the next Like I mean we got we got we got we got people up in arms over the Olympics opening ceremony

[00:04:49] That's what I want here in this country. I mean there's the low-hanging fruit Donovan that I thought you were going to grasp There is the American Los Angeles Olympics opening ceremony directed by David Lynch Now there now we're cooking can you imagine?

[00:05:04] For one thing normal people watching that the Olympics ceremony would just be like they would be angry at the end of it Yeah Not only like because it doesn't make any sense and there's a 35-hour

[00:05:16] Transcendental meditation session in the middle of these these folks stay angry you guys though. This is a TV Podcast, but you guys have spent some time with the Olympics on TV So you've been spending some time with it Why? Because it's fun Blaine. I don't

[00:05:33] Think so Blaine how else are we gonna ride and Dora that they suck shit? They're barely even a real country Do you know do you there's like a principality, but like a cardinal is in charge to? Fuck them. There's three of them

[00:05:47] There's three of them at the games and they all deserve to lose Donovan just mad because he's not an indoor and Olympian That's true Blaine why are you bothered by the Olympics blame this is this this happened last every this is happened in 2021

[00:06:02] Did I get this same? Yeah, same rant and four years ago. Here's the what do you think about the opening ceremony? Are you on board with most of the world watching the same event and taking it in? That's fine. I mean it's whatever I didn't watch it though

[00:06:18] Oh, well you missed out because they had a head wrist re-Antoinette and then uh, I thought it was great And and then a band called gojira which as we all know means Godzilla Oh, they were they were scary. They scared me also for so so I

[00:06:35] Was at work with the live one came on and I turned on the primetime broadcast would sucked obviously the live one much better But they put like Peyton Manning Calling this and he's like I had red wine and baguettes

[00:06:48] They're as good as you think it's like what we we've won over middle America Was he really doing yeah, it was always picture it was Kelly Clarkson and Peyton Manning Although he was just absent for long periods. I was gonna say let me clear this up

[00:07:04] I saw his picture, but I didn't realize they had his microphone on it was like why do you why do you have him? He's his sport is an Olympic sport. He doesn't know anything. He brought that up several times

[00:07:14] That's how I feel when watching I turned on the team USA basketball game today Which was pretty fun. It's not a dream team, but these guys are all really good And it was cool because they were playing service

[00:07:24] They're playing against you okay, you okay or however you say that that good gentlemen's aim And I was wondering the whole game like is he mad that he like can't

[00:07:33] That his summer on his horse ranch is interrupted that he has to go play in the Olympics for Serbia Like is he a little pissed off right now? Is he just like I gotta I gotta lose this shit and go home

[00:07:43] I think about this a lot with international soccer where the the player may not be from the best country for their sport But they dominate in like the Forgive the expression, but the Premier League for it

[00:07:57] But then they have to go back and like play with people that I'm sure that they Are proud to play for their country and love playing with their their brothers or their sisters or whatever But it's got to be a little frustrating right?

[00:08:11] I'm honestly curious. I want to know I guess Nothing will reach the peak of 1992 Olympics for me plane I was three. I got some say I was Whatever

[00:08:26] 14 dog carry the flame. I did like that. Did he a lot of join off of the flame? Do you like to join off the flame? Off camera, please tell me y'all have seen the I'm sure it's everywhere

[00:08:39] But I'd let's say Instagram reels of him trying to speak French to the reporter Please tell me y'all seen this it's such a good meme viral video Snoop dog and Flava Flava been an inspiration because like I don't bless those two men

[00:08:55] I don't know if they're rich, but like they see I'm sure they're well off at this point And like there's a bunch of rich people out there that just seem fucking miserable Oh, no these guys and it's like, you know, they're just like like it's like dude

[00:09:07] Like you're a you're a trillionaire enjoy your life one tiny bit And Snoop and Flava are just like Flavie. We're just gonna hang we're just gonna hang out Flavie has enough money to sponsor the women's Water polo. Thank you. And he was stoked. Oh

[00:09:24] Yeah, good for him. Yes. He stood out in the crowd of those miserable French white people with their arms crossed Hilarious camera cut over to him during the Greece USA game And he like like he's shouting so loud that the mics are like easily picking it up

[00:09:40] So he's he's he he was born to be a hype man. Oh, yeah, Blaine you don't enjoy Like turning on the television and you see like they're playing handball or they're playing water polo or they're doing this thing that like For some people this is their entire life

[00:09:58] And I'm about to have a really strong opinion about the sport and how fair this game play is within 30 seconds Yes, that's a great time

[00:10:07] You don't even like watching gymnastics. I feel like we maybe we get this rush too much in normal life because of the internet now Because we can all have opinions about anything but I mean that's what you'll be Olympics

[00:10:19] I think get you a little hit off of that. That's fun Man, I dark horse for me is gymnastics. I watched a little bit of the men's yesterday First off, I don't remember if I mentioned this to you, but it should be illegal for the Japanese team to

[00:10:32] But like I could just see this guy dismantling me. I will have to edit that for racism Yeah, I don't know I just I think about eight years ago Maybe 12 years ago

[00:10:56] Twitter ruined the Olympics if I had any interest whatsoever Twitter ruined it for me because everybody came flying in with these educated in quotation marks opinions about every goddamn sport that was possibly airing and I was like you're you've never watched this sport shut the fuck up and

[00:11:16] It is probably about four people who ruined it for me four or five So I was just like now. I don't care at all, but no 1992 Man dad for a 14 year old 15 year old kid who loved the NBA 1992 was just peak Olympic thrill

[00:11:35] So I don't know if anything will ever match that The only thing better than the 92 Olympics is that it sets up that really good joke and what we do with the shadows Renando is obsessed with the dream team

[00:11:47] Yes, the Jersey and he has everything that's like breaking down their stats. I'm Nandor here I think we're gonna have to have some sort of elf-esque intervention with Blaine to try to get the Olympic flame Relit in his heart I'm open

[00:12:08] I've heard that peacock though if you have peacock that it has become really fun to watch out on that because you can actually Pick and choose I haven't gone on there to watch. Oh, yeah, you can pick whatever event you want

[00:12:20] Yeah, and you can watch it without disruption They still throw some commercials in there, but yeah, and there's also I mean it without like a Without like switching to another sport. Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. You can also they have a They're calling it gold zone

[00:12:38] Yeah, where they sounds like a credit card well, they yeah, they zip around whatever it's like red zone For the NFL like what exciting thing is happening right now. Let's watch that We'll give you a crash course in the rules that sort of thing

[00:12:54] Well, speaking of gold medal winners huge. I don't know what my segue here is Sorry Speaking of gold medal winners D's nuts Huge News coming out of Hall H of Comic Con this weekend. I was up a little late like I usually am on Saturday nights and

[00:13:17] Just scrolling right before I decided to go to bed because I had the TV on wasn't scrolling much segue into my phone scrolling and I'm like Somebody's taking the piss out of me. This can't be true Marvel taking some of the news cycle with their announcement of doomsday

[00:13:33] Coming in taking the piss out of everyone well 26 doomsday is the Big announcement out of that of comic con That of course the accompanying that to that announcement is that Robert Downey Jr. Will play dr. Doom I really did think it was a fan made

[00:13:52] Poster when I saw it online and I clicked on it and I thought no this is the real Marvel studio Instagram account There's there's a term in poker called scared money Y'all know this term right no, I can't remember the hands in poker. So I don't play

[00:14:08] Oh, well, this isn't it's just a term about how you're playing. It's where you're playing poker But you're nervous about losing money. So you're playing really the obvious Way scared money. Don't make money scared money. Don't make money. That would be me every game though

[00:14:22] I'd be like I'm afraid of losing this money Kevin Foggy and the rest of his team were at a table and somebody said y'all know what'll hit in

[00:14:31] 2028 we had Robert Downey Jr. Open up the NCU as Iron Man. What if we got him back and made him different? Still with some iron well, I don't you know put a little give him a man or steal

[00:14:43] Y'all they they fucked it up by not letting John Hamm be dr. Doom. There's my take The man needs more work Y'all see that for John Hamm think think Fargo. Oh, no, I love John Hamm for dr. Doom though

[00:14:57] I think John Hamm could do anything he can do anything But look if you want your dr. Doom to appear in a book multiple movies you kind of also wanted to be charming Well, he's gonna be behind the mask. I can't tell not all the time

[00:15:11] No, wait, I don't think so right dooms that always behind the mask Is he well his face is hideously scarred from the from the accident That made him hate Reed Richards. We can't get that pretty face Oh Okay, I think John Hamm could do it

[00:15:29] It was also kind of funny to see Harrison Ford. I'll let you comment on the dr. Doom stuff But it's also funny to see Harrison Ford basically say that I Saw some really good actors doing the Marvel stuff making money and I wanted to make money

[00:15:43] He can say whatever he wants at this point in his life because you know, it's amazing to me I'm commenting on like three different things. I'm not open the floor though It's amazing to me that he and Joe Biden are basically the same age

[00:15:55] And he's just running jumping lively saying funny shit and Joe Biden barely can He's injured on set much much more than Joe Biden. The man survived an airplane crash He survived more than that Do you think if they had given Joe Biden a fedora and a bull whip?

[00:16:12] He would still be in the race right now Now man, I mean he's got a complete of sentence Poor guy plane. He's not running for president anymore. You and the man mainstream media can just lay off

[00:16:24] Don't you have any new content Blaine? Yes, it's Harrison Ford for president Oh, we're gonna get that in February 2025 and he got a warrant shot by the Robert Downey Jr. news. I was like, whoa shit

[00:16:36] I don't know if it's shocking so much as it's like what do you do? I mean if I were Marvel and I had to hastily scrap my king the conqueror plans

[00:16:43] For various reasons, I mean dr. Doom feels like a good bet for an overarching villain, but like I don't know like No, Dr. Robert Downey Jr. Got tired of making Not making Marvel money Yeah, I know that they can't Do this and I know that I have

[00:17:04] Harped on it a little much But like when the Avengers cycle was over if they could have just not done anything for a decade Seriously, I got it when you do something

[00:17:16] That good, you know, it's almost like a band that has like builds up the classic idea of like great first album Solid second spectacular third record like how do you they obviously have to keep doing stuff?

[00:17:28] Right because they are in the business of creating things and getting paid for those things And there's a lot of cogs that need need money, but man. I mean, it's just

[00:17:41] Everything that seems promising has I mean does anybody here care about any of the TV shows that they're making or You know have really been struck by a film that they've made since then

[00:17:53] Not recently not no, no, I am maybe a little more amp than I would have Thought I would have been for the upcoming Captain America simply because They're doing good promo for it with the comic-con interviews. I'm the Harrison Ford cello me on this

[00:18:10] You know, I have a lot of good feelings towards dr. D. M. Just because I think the care I think the character like he's great, but he's also like hilarious Because he's if you write him correctly and he's awesome

[00:18:21] like Ryan north just did a comic with him where he He realizes that like alternate versions of him are optimizing his future so that he and he's like I can't he's like

[00:18:32] I can't or optimizing his path to fight the Fantastic Four and he's like I can't handle this I'm the smartest doctor do smarter than all the other versions of me and just like that kind that level of

[00:18:44] Narcissism is is excellent. Well, then Downey Jr. There's your guy. Yeah, I don't know if I He's like like kind of shmarmie in a way that I never thought of dr. Dume as you know, yeah

[00:18:57] Dr. Doom is the result of the Hapsburg breeding program. Let's be very clear He's the monarch of Latvaria, right? They're very inbred right as you know As you should know I've got my feet in two boats here where I'm like, yes, Robert Downey Jr. as a villain

[00:19:18] You know, he's he's good. I've seen Oppenheimer and The same as y'all what you guys are saying is just go a different direction real go crazy go weird It's just too complex at this point Yeah, same playbook just what different coloring I guess or something with that

[00:19:36] I agree with Adam's point when we're I do think you can create too much The thing that instantly pops into my head is like the lat probably the latter half of GK Chesterton's father brown detective stories because he was right. He and he wrote a lot

[00:19:50] but at the end he was just kind of writing he was mostly writing them to fund his his magazine GK's quarterly and The magic is gone because like you've always got to be doing something right and it's kind of like the first stuff is there

[00:20:03] But then at the end you're just kind of like what are we doing? You know, we're writing to write especially when you You know when we look back. It's very clear what was capturing the public's imagination, you know, like the you could say Marvel Cashed in on a

[00:20:20] Return to a fascination with superheroes right in like the 2010s And like once that's kind of over if you have been so intertwined with What's what's happening in the societal moment and then like society changes very rapidly and

[00:20:37] Like maybe superheroes aren't meant to have their moment now. Does that make sense? You know, yeah, like there are times when comic book movies. I think of In my let's say in the last 20 years like the Tobin McGuire spider-man

[00:20:52] Movies kind of jump out to me as like, you know, they used like it's funny as it is to say now I go dashboard confessional and all this they like really connected with people who were in high school at the time Which is me and Donovan

[00:21:07] Yeah, and then you end up with the the Nolan Batman stuff that captured a very specific American moment and Then Marvel has its time and it's like how do you? How do you soldier it's kind of what Donovan saying of like

[00:21:23] Yeah, you got a you got to keep moving just to pay the bills, but is there really any juice there? Yeah. Yeah, I think you're right Adam where it's like

[00:21:32] And also like an additional layer of like you're almost a victim of your own success where it's like we've seen it before Yeah, like if they're you know like yet like the culture drives

[00:21:42] But that like that drives the culture to not in a total tailwax the dog situation Like these things are it's all someone in time and it's cyclical entered, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so it'll come back and I just think maybe it's

[00:21:54] Maybe it's a return to like only the people who would not only but The kinds of people who were paying to go to a convention or your prime

[00:22:04] Market where there was a moment where I was like, oh everybody's going to the theater this weekend to see film the blank movie Yeah Anyone go see Deadpool Wolverine by the way

[00:22:14] Yeah, I will I might this week but I have a certain fondness for Hugh Jackman. I do too totally and rexham Sure, I want that team to do well The If Marvel can make me 18 again

[00:22:33] Then I'll go see any movies that they want but unfortunately I'm 35 so it may not be to good point Like they may not the lightning in a bottle may partly be me as well, of course it was coming on threads I saw today someone post

[00:22:50] Well, if you've ever read the comics, of course, it's obvious that Robert Downing Jr. would be Dr. Doom It's like it's secret or is they gonna do this and this and this it was planned the whole time I'm not sold on that. Yeah, I'm not sold on that

[00:23:06] I did mention comic-con not limited to that though trailers did a bound this week It seemed like fleas on a dog's ass Any of those catch your attention of lately a complete unknown? I still think the joke I made

[00:23:21] Which was I knew what you were gonna say blame So I joked that Timothy shall remain looks like Bob Dylan if people wanted to kiss him And I should amend that to like normies wanted to kiss him because Blaine was like lots people And playing god-defensive

[00:23:35] Well, no, I've just seen a lot. I knew he was gonna say that having hovered Bob Dylan message board since 97 I've seen lots of ladies and man the casting is great It is good like I know I don't know

[00:23:48] I feel like Timothy shall amade like annoy some people, but I think he's actually a very good actor Why does he know it people he doesn't I don't know. He's like a little elfin man Maybe that's why you had to play Bob Dylan a fellow elfin man

[00:24:03] I also annoy these people. I'm very into into this the idea of this movie and I think In the same way that I would watch a version of Lord of the Rings

[00:24:14] That's just like three hours of them chilling in the Shire. I would watch basically any film where it's like cold outside And they're in Greenwich Village, and it's the early 60s Like I man. Yeah early to mid. Yeah, exactly. You ever seen inside Lou and Davis?

[00:24:31] Well, it's the same thing. This is the genre for me. Yeah It's a similar thing because they got you sold It did have that feel Similar vibe almost yeah, I mean that's the columns are so good at imitating stuff. I don't mean that

[00:24:47] like they're so good at like You know like creating that that world. Yeah, and they can do that with lots of different stuff Yeah, I'm excited for for this one actually cuz I think that casting is top-notch Yeah, James Mangold's good though. I think the director is good

[00:25:05] He did Logan speaking of comic book movies, but he's done a lot more than comic book movies. He's done Ford v Ferrari Which apparently is a banger. I haven't seen it apparently. It's like surprisingly good. He's done more

[00:25:18] He did do that good. He did do that good Logan movie that one that one is a solid Solid superhero movie. Yeah, a lot more than superhero movie do what I said

[00:25:29] It's just a lot more than a superhero movie. Oh, yeah, it's a western. It's you know, it's uh It's got a little bit unforgiving in it. Yeah, it's about an ending

[00:25:39] Rarely happens a shocker to me is the penguin. I don't know what the hell Colin Farrell's up to he seems like a brilliant and and judicial guy and but yet he's I Could see him doing this if he didn't have to wear all that fucking makeup

[00:25:57] I'm kind of like who was dying for a penguin movie to that too. Well, it's a show I mean, I'm sorry. I had it in my brain because I was gonna say something about him

[00:26:08] You know, he was penguin in that one with Robert Patton said thanks and that was fine I mean it was three hours long for some reason, but I enjoyed it I did and I thought Colin Farrell did fine, but I'm not looking at that. I'm like god

[00:26:20] I need an hour of this every week He did fine in that I couldn't tell it was Colin Farrell But that was of course partly in the bank up. Maybe they're doing something radical

[00:26:29] But like when I would when I would read a Batman comic, it's like by and large penguin You know outside of like the animated series or something He's like mostly just a gangster and that's kind of like what it seemed like they're doing here

[00:26:42] And it's like I've seen the Sopranos, you know, like I've seen gangster stuff I you know, just just like oh, it's it's it's gangster But it's it's a gangster film, but oh, it's a DC comic villain is not super appealing to me right now

[00:26:56] I think they went what if it's the Sopranos, but with less light and less light less humor more Colin Farrell One out of three ain't bad. Yeah new Joker film speaking of less light Yeah, did you like the first one

[00:27:15] Did not like the first I see I love that first one What you're talking about which one just Joker with Joaquin Yeah, I hated that movie. Yeah, really and now we know now we get and it's like I really liked it

[00:27:31] I like I literally because I had Olympic soccer and I literally just saw the folly adieu commercial Which I've been trying to avoid and I'm just like this Like like this fucking guy Who Joaquin or yeah

[00:27:45] No, and well partly because I love Joaquin Phoenix and oh, okay. Yes, what he got his Oscar for but I'm just like I don't want to see Whatever this is it seems to step too far right the first one was nice put a pin in it

[00:28:00] What was y'all didn't like that one though the gladiator two though that's all that's old all in there's I'm gonna watch that even if it's not that good. I'm gonna watch it

[00:28:10] Another one but it will be right another who knows but it's another one. We're like the casting is so good that I'm excited Denzel do Denzel Pedro Pascal. We're gonna see yeah, yeah

[00:28:22] Shit, what's his face? I hope we get a new D scene from Paul mess Cal again Paul mess Cal Maybe someone asked him what he did with that fucking ice cream bar. I can't wait. I mean yeah, you guys know Some sword some sand I'm in already but

[00:28:41] Is that why you're always asking him to come to the beach with me? Ironically, I hate going to the beach. I feel like at this point in his career And he like Ridley Scott doesn't care enough that he'll make stinkers

[00:28:53] But also if he's paying attention, he knows how to make a good movie at this point like like like a competent movie I'm not saying it's like citizen Kane, but I'm just saying like he's kind of like Steven Spielberg

[00:29:03] Right like he's made enough movies that it's like yeah, he knows what he's doing Right. He got the template. I don't know. I think it'll be fun I've thought about this one way too much to be honest with you. Oh, well, it's here. Go ahead not an over

[00:29:17] It may be so but just thinking through like From the looks of things they have this incredibly successful beloved now pushing 25 year old film And it looks like they haven't really tried to reinvent the wheel too much in terms of like

[00:29:35] Like the shooting style looked pretty similar the sets looked Pretty similar except they had a bunch of water in the Coliseum, which oh my god. Yes Like I think it's gonna be pretty good the premise. I'm in if you had told me the

[00:29:52] The cast list and what they were doing I would have been skeptical But seeing it play out in the trailer Very stoked it it's funny that you're almost negating your criticism of MCU with

[00:30:07] Well, you know, they didn't make another movie for 25 years. Yeah, that's true or 20. Was it that's a year 2000? Yeah, yeah, that's a big gap. That's that's the difference. Yeah, they haven't exactly saturated the market, you know Dune prophecy it's doing with more prophecy. I'm assuming

[00:30:25] Any of you guys see that that trailer? Yes for the upcoming show now this one's a show So yeah, might it looks like it's focused on the Ben H. Ezra, which could be really cool

[00:30:35] Um, I'm just I'm a little burnt by how much all the books after dunes suck You know Gil Gaiman who is slightly problematic at the moment Aren't we all he had a really good summation of it where he's like every dune book

[00:30:52] Is half as good as the one in Exponentially followed. Yeah, and and I've really I I didn't even finish them like I jumped off a god emperor I think that was that was oh, I didn't pitch the third one. I got halfway through the third one

[00:31:06] Yeah, it kind of sucks But I'm but I'm like, okay, like if you know and I don't know much I know there's a whole like industry of his son, you know, he's written a bunch of books with

[00:31:18] Whoa, what's his name? I think Kevin J. Anderson. So I I don't know anything about that because it doesn't interest me But like something that's like You know kind of looking at the Ben and Jezaret and you know, they're kind of mysterious and weird

[00:31:30] And it seems like there could be some cool stuff there. I'm willing to reserve judgment Well, I'll look at the reviews if it's good. It would be awesome That's fair adam. You really love doing

[00:31:40] You you love doing too the second dude. I haven't seen it and I don't I don't love donovan has either I did not realize that you hadn't seen it Yeah, I haven't watched it yet either. Just just are you guys serious?

[00:31:52] Yes, yeah, I just haven't sat down and watched it if this if they plop it back in theaters near you for some reason I know that they or want to do that these days Uh, please go see it on the big screen Yeah phenomenal

[00:32:08] Just well, what about the plot though? I know it probably looks great. But what did you was it like entertaining? Yeah, of course Did you you read the book right plane? Mm-hmm. I heard they did a good job and adam you can correct me

[00:32:21] But this is what I heard of really making it clear that like Like paul is gone beyond just like justice and he's into ambition like ambition and revenge Or or the the god complex. Yeah, yeah God it's been a long time since I've read that book

[00:32:37] You know, you did love dune too. Does that make you more interested in dune prophecy the show or less? Or you know, I mean like is that just a tangential thing that's not interesting to you?

[00:32:47] No, it's interesting. But I would I would say that my approach to it is At arm's length like it. Hmm. It's almost independent of I'm very excited to see what happens with the next film if this is interesting great If not, it doesn't really bother me

[00:33:03] Before we go to break I did almost all of my well I did all of my thoughts last week on house of the dragon. I got us actually caught up Through episode six, which is small folk but since you two were out of pocket any additional thoughts

[00:33:18] Just I've been like I was thinking about this season versus last season and like for me this season magic is kind of back I'm looking forward to it. I'm enjoying it. I know all the characters It's kind of funny that To see the title

[00:33:32] Going in I was like small folk. Oh, this is exactly what we've been making to see How does this affect little people? I'm with donovan and I think that's a very clean Summation to say that sunday nights or whenever y'all are watching it feel like appointment viewing again

[00:33:51] I know maybe it's because the there are less characters or they're not changing halfway through the season or whatever It may be it's it's easier to keep track of and uh Yeah, I mean, I know we're building to something and I know people may have problems with the

[00:34:06] Speed at which that's happening People are so funny and fickle that people complain about we really need something to happen You know, like there's a lot of a lot of talking going on and then there's like a A three dragon

[00:34:18] Mid-air battle with the ground getting scorched and like a week later people are like, well, it's getting kind of boring again It's like come on It's like what What do you want? Actually, I'm all in on uh team aimin

[00:34:32] I think he's the the king that that west road. He's decisive. He's not afraid to murder his brother One more to me he doesn't give a shit about the small folk which I find uh inspirational

[00:34:48] Actually, I do have one question. I could have looked this up. This is a real question Do the greens have anyone but vagar left they're they're looking at a dragon shortage, right? Because sunfire is dead Sunfire is off screen I thought sunfire was dead

[00:35:03] I don't know that that's been confirmed a a gone straight. He looks pretty dead. I bet sunfire does well. There is a Okay, so I got a little confused this most recent episode was the well episode six for our listeners

[00:35:14] It's not the most recent. Um, I got a little confused that there's a dragon that's flying around that's wild but there's also the dragon who has probably bonded with Adam the character of adam right right. I also have felt a kinship for the dragon just to be clear

[00:35:34] Oh, really? So have I recently believe it or not? Yeah Brought one home. We got to see a baby dragon. What you know episode six that's right My wife she kind of like half watches it but she was she was there for your wife half watches

[00:35:50] House is right. You have watches everything. Oh, well, that's fair then Yeah, this isn't like yeah, this isn't like exceptional for house of the dragons. It's everything I think the complaints about daemon Are are valid though

[00:36:04] It's you know, it's getting that way. I mean how many more not mayor episodes can he have we get the point of that It's not adding anything new I actually last week really worked for me

[00:36:15] Because I would have voted daemon as character least likely to learn a lesson But maybe in his nightmare he learned a tiny lesson It got me the scene where he's actually there. He's doing what he should have done for his brother instead of

[00:36:29] Instead of eating his mom's puss. Yeah, exactly. Oh man. This show is like game of thrones is really about the benefits of having hot relatives Is like more and more why leave home

[00:36:43] I even got you know, I even got I even had a little soft spot for old for olaris This week is if that felt like for the first time it felt like he was saying something sincere to agon Obviously, he's jockeying for his own

[00:36:58] Advantage, but he's also correct. He could just jump to a month. Yeah. Amen. Obviously hates him But he could try and jump to amen For those who say that there isn't complexity to house of the dragon There's a certain irony to having super hot relatives

[00:37:13] You don't have to leave home, but yet you're the only family that has dragons who can fly across the water so There you go. We're gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come back to um, I knew an athlete show

[00:37:35] On Netflix this past week new series data Cameron made its eighth episode appearance stars tony hail from arrested development and beat and veep fame as well as The young lady from dairy girls. How what do you say her her monica?

[00:37:51] Sersha, Sersha monica jackson. That's her name is those some mammoth from girls if you remember Her from that role, of course Kind of loosely based on the old italian text by the same name medieval italian text I'm not sure it's

[00:38:08] Almost just the name and time period that connects the two I haven't delved that deeply I think it was Bacaccio who wrote it that just came into my head. Uh, yes Giovanni Bacaccio In the story right the nobles flee the city go to the villa

[00:38:24] To avoid the plague and spend past their time telling stories. That's it Probably body it body body. This is uh, I was gonna say this is proto canibary tales. Yeah, he is looking Italian Like tosser would have been aware of this. Yeah

[00:38:38] Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah probably written between 1348 and 1353 Short stories told by group of people frame stories told by a group of mental women camping outside of italian city to avoid the black death That's it Very much mirrors clearly not

[00:38:56] Entirely in that direction for this one. No, uh, donovan. Have you read this though? No Just curious You've read the canibary tales, though I have read the canibary tales. God, I have it's been way too long, but yeah, it was the camera and

[00:39:11] The inferno when I read the inferno instead We won't spoil anything for a minute or two So what you guys watched how many two? Los one here um, what you make of the episode Or two that you watched you like it recommend it who would enjoy this

[00:39:31] Well, I'm in favor of anything that gives tony haill work I've got something to say on that topic, but go ahead In agreement, uh I guess early review of the first episode is like I was always on the knife side should being annoyed by it

[00:39:49] But I never quite slipped into that. I actually I think I came out the end of it And I was like, you know what? I got some good laughs at that Actually, I think that more it more work than it did it for me. I'm with you

[00:39:59] But it's a tricky. It's a tricky walk I'm with you it There seems to now be like a Things that you could not imagine existing without streaming Right like this show you couldn't imagine this existing any other Way like why would this be on on television?

[00:40:18] You know and shows like It kind of feels like it maybe took some nods from the great Absolutely society people behaving poorly in relatively closed sets and bringing Non-period music non-period slang all of these things into You know, but they break, you know in that sometimes it is

[00:40:40] Of its time and then all of a sudden there's a rock song or they say something slangy So it I don't know those things always Like I was I didn't reach for my phone a lot and I was annoyed at times like donovan, but when it was over

[00:40:54] I thought I'll watch another one of those That was my feeling where I was like, okay I'll at least give it a Did the feeling carry into episode two same feeling? Yeah, I think so and I think knowing that it's

[00:41:08] Eight episodes and it's not asking a ton of me And there's enough. I think the big point is there's enough Actors that I enjoy watching on screen, but I don't get to see enough Like I mean we just show she's back. She just wants to get married

[00:41:26] It's 2013 all over again Some of the humor for me was like, all right, you're mugging a bit and then some of it was like, you know what? That actually really worked for me. That that was funny. Yes

[00:41:38] It's using an idea that maybe never gets old. Maybe it does get it go out of style From 1348 to 2020. It's the rich think they can escape death They're better than death And I like that Poe wrote about it in the mask of the red death

[00:41:53] Uh, we see we've seen billionaires flee to Martha's vineyard during covid And have you know the the peasants deliver their needs to them So yeah, if you remember Knives out did a movie about this. That's right, you know trenchant

[00:42:11] The the elements added to this one is maybe the Kardashians bring aboard their uneducated servants to the resort I think Tony Hill is educated. I don't remember his name. Seriko something like that. Yeah, the names get a little Uh heavy with on the tongue

[00:42:29] But yeah, we'll probably I'm primarily focused on the first episode in case you haven't seen it The one thing I thought that I really started liking it a lot is when Tony Hill came on screen

[00:42:41] And not and this is what I was going to talk about with Donovan or agree with Donovan about is Not simply because it was Tony Hill but that it was Tony Hill doing

[00:42:51] Something different than I thought he did obviously very different from arrested development, but even different veep in the episodes I've seen of yet. I was like I was scared. He's just going to do the veep thing And now I was like no no no, he's not he's got

[00:43:04] He's a little more aware here. Well much more very aware and he's kind of in control of the situation and not Very different even even the way he's he's got the tiger by the tail

[00:43:16] But he's still got the tiger right even the way he's introduced you're thinking classic Tony. Hail would be He's uh behind the chains on this at all times, but No, he's he's more bumbling but no he's yeah, he's not as He's not as bumbling. He's got a plan

[00:43:33] Uh also, I find Tony. Hail's delivery of stuff often really good like so good So good his timing is perfect when Sarah should I forget her last name the character Sadly spills her lover. She's like wait a minute. Who's that down there? Tony? He'll just go some guy

[00:43:53] Yeah, or when they When she fills him in on what to say at the dinner and he's like, yeah, we'll go with that Yeah Before we get into spoilers this first episode at least was directed by Michael Upendall

[00:44:07] Does that name ring a bell to either of you? It does not Well, it stood out to me big time and I got to looking He directed the best episodes of madmen. He directed christmas waltz new business many more

[00:44:21] And he was one of the few guys to bring some of the best stuff out of the walking dead And he directed a lot of fargo season two This guy is one of our favorite directors without knowing it

[00:44:32] That is some pedigree right there. He's look if he directs more of this any mod of uh, like I said I've only watched one. I'm like, oh, this is why I'm digging. This is why it's Finally balanced like donlan said man christmas waltz

[00:44:47] But yeah, man just the name will rip your heart out. Um, This show was reviewed About to get into spoilers by the way people if you just like it in a minute The show was reviewed well on vulture, but just trashed on ebook I saw that uh

[00:45:05] New york times was in the uh plus column there And it's funny that the the reviewer on ebert roger ebert.com Said that The coverage on the new york times was a fluff piece. Yeah, I've never seen them call out the

[00:45:20] The two pieces of media fight fight. It felt like the roger ebert critic was Had it been data or something I read that and then I watched and i'm trying like I am a person who I'm easily influenced by reviews I can't be I it's just

[00:45:40] Or like, you know, if i'm reading a book like i'm influenced by like the last person I read or talk to that's just who I am But I was like, okay, I've read this but you know what i'm gonna I've read i've read plus i've read negative

[00:45:52] And i'm going to Just just try and keep an open mind and like look at my like not think about like is this good like just do I enjoy this And at the end of the first episode, I was like did we watch the same show?

[00:46:07] They they're talking about like the hindenburg. Like this is just the worst thing filmed in in 20 years I'm like, okay I'm saying it was great, but like it was fine. You know, yeah I hate it This person hated it Yeah, it felt

[00:46:25] They it didn't even feel like a good critique. It felt very personal I I didn't recognize that I need to look up and see what else they've reviewed because there's a lot of the the movie reviewers On that site. I know

[00:46:39] Kind of their style and who I who I really like among them and they're there. I didn't recognize this person So I was like, I'll I have to calibrate you I went in expecting nothing to like it a lot, but uh turns out I did like it

[00:46:54] Well a good bit The the part that won me over was when like people are dying and they're trying to get the doctor in the beginning And he's like only prayer can save you now. He just get out

[00:47:05] That was it was it was just a mean enough joke that it made me laugh Yeah, the the getting the band together sequence was pretty good You knew they had a moment there to it was to have fun with them being in

[00:47:21] Just terrific Florence at the time and I think they made the most of that I definitely kept expecting to hear like a screeching old lady, montipython voice at any moment during the During the florence scenes. Yeah, let's get into the episode some more

[00:47:37] Tony Hale his character. He's he's a much more in the know tone here as he's the sewer to the estate where the Very wealthy gentleman esteemed nobleman He's died not long before his rich guest ever arrived because Tony Hale is actually in the process of burying him

[00:47:53] He doesn't even complete the burial Yeah, and everyone's dying except for him and like Maybe a lady who cooks some Uh, she doesn't get a big role and the beekeeper don't forget the keeper who watches the gate Is he's like passed out drunk on the bench or something?

[00:48:11] There are three things I think I really took away is that people who don't like this show are probably bumping into an inability to hang out with Bad characters bad people. I should say not characters for too long Um, like they're too much hubris too much self importance

[00:48:29] Even the servants are not on the up and up They're kind of lying to keep up appearances and who can blame them And I think that the other two things that I took away was that The show could be Really good if it was 30 minutes each I think

[00:48:46] Towards the end of the episode. I was thinking like An hour was an interesting choice. Yeah Like at the end I wasn't like, oh, I'm exhausted. I was actually like, I kind of want to see what happens I'll watch another one

[00:48:57] But I was like, you know just almost the It's almost like when arrested development jumped from having been on network tv to uh To to netflix and it had a little room to spread its wings and we all discovered we as a nation discovered how much that

[00:49:14] Editing that tight tight editing that they had to do for a 22 to 23 minute episode helped it And I wonder if I don't know 16 30 minute episodes have been a little tighter. I don't know I'm with you on that I think so

[00:49:29] It's it's it's you just rarely at least in this day and age see a comedy series that's willing to stick around for an hour Yeah, I mean we're getting a flip of of what's happening with the bear, you know the bear 30 minutes episode supposed to be a comedy

[00:49:42] But really a drama and then this is a Yeah, I don't know that sold as a drama, but it's you know, it's long Like a drama would be Uh, yeah, even in the first episode at the end where you think it's possible that these nobles

[00:49:56] With all their ignorance may get some comeuppance And the marauders burst in You don't want to comeuppance to be by these guys These grotesque marauding scary looking guys I want it to be from god himself Maybe so I did find the goofy

[00:50:18] No woman who thinks he's really smart, but is having digestive issues all throughout And he's not smart at all He he has the doctor who comes with him. Yes. What's his name? Tindero Tindero Tindero

[00:50:35] I thought he was funny and i've never seen that actor before. Yeah, he once he got into his bed It actually he actually made me laugh The doctor, uh, the guy who's playing the doctor I feel like he's doing a good job with like

[00:50:47] Like obviously like the silly remedy being the straight man for the silly remedies And also like actively poisoning like actively poisoning him. You know, you gotta stay employed, you know Yeah I get it Tough time to you seen the job market post-COVID imagine that

[00:51:06] Oh, if you made it through the black plague Best time to be alive for a peasant or lower income at least in europe Because you there was basically nowhere to go but up

[00:51:17] So many people had died so many rich people had died. There was a massive labor shortage It is fun that this show is is played for comedy a lot, but You know y'all are talking about there's not

[00:51:27] You kind of want the rich people to get to come up and you Aren't really cheering for the lower class folks either like they haven't shown themselves to be like The noble poor really they're also kind of so you really only have like the selfish and the self-interested

[00:51:43] But they right sufficiently explain the stakes to me Of like being surrounded by death that you would Behave that way and I think that what's the woman's name from the challenge from dairy girls, right? Oh, sir shamanic. Yeah The way that she plays that role of

[00:52:05] Now we're into spoiler turf here, but when she's sure under threat of discovery And she says i'm gonna we're all going to be dead soon. Why am I not

[00:52:14] Going to do whatever I want that was kind of where you know the veil of the comedy was dropped for a second and the real outside stakes came in and Her performance and her The way they let that character's attitude Happened so rapidly there was no like Uh

[00:52:35] They didn't linger too long on like her having to learn how to fit in or anything like that It's like no these are wild time. She's gonna make the best of it. Here we go Uh, that's what kind of hooked me in I think

[00:52:47] Yeah, I agree that worked for me too You at that point you're like, what am I doing because we're literally all gonna die soon And I know it, you know like anyone who knows anything knows well in her reaction

[00:52:58] You cannot you can you can delude yourself, but i'm gonna do what I want her reaction to Her horrible boss leaving her father to die alone In the townhouse it finally boils over and no i'm just gonna murder this

[00:53:12] This complete asshole here on this bridge. Just shove her off the side And not feel bad about it and relatable. I mean her body count by the end of the first episode fairly high She's got you know, they're all gonna die anyway, right? Yeah

[00:53:26] I do worry how much real estate that he get out of the idea of the hindsight of Of medical knowledge Let's go to the countryside because there's no way the play goes to the countryside Like there's some invisible barrier here, right?

[00:53:44] Well, it's a reasonable proposition, right? It does a germ theory disease But like okay infection spreads in the city and we know now why so if we get away from that and they didn't know but

[00:53:55] It's still I think these people are all acting rationally based on what they're doing Well, there are more obvious examples of of this where uh drink this and because of your bile You balance your humors your humors need balancing. I mean shit that was present even up until

[00:54:11] Early 1900s. I mean not to spoil episode two, but a it's not really a spoiler an onion comes into play as I suggested You know antibacterial they don't have that word but yeah, I like Tony Hale in this role

[00:54:25] I want to see a whole lot more of him. I didn't know that I would though I was scared it was just be more of his veet character, but it's not so you'll find yourselves constantly scanning his any speech That he has for any busterism in it

[00:54:40] Yes, because he's only broken once and I can't remember if it was in episode one or two where he He kind of had to say something softer and like there's Like you know that his chin probably tucked down a little bit so that he could do it

[00:54:52] And it just flattened his voice out just right so that he turned into buster for one sentence I got it. There's our guy it It must have been episode two because I haven't I don't think that I've seen that

[00:55:02] If if if we can just have like a Tony Hale appreciation moment So I have watched you blame you haven't watched all of them No, just a couple episodes. Oh, he saw it all the way through and you got to watch it because there's an episode where

[00:55:16] It comes out that Tony Hale's character. What is his name now? I can't think of his character's name is from Alabama And it's from Birmingham no less and and goes back to Birmingham to his house Where Stephen root is his father and it is wall-to-wall crimson tide

[00:55:35] It's awesome. No, it's awesome. But uh, Tony had like taking two characters like buster and I've completely blanked on his veep character, which is stupid for me Uh, that could have been so similar. He could have just done buster for veep, but he did it for him

[00:55:50] They're close, but they're differentiated and I think like that's almost harder than anything I've ever seen Because it's like if he'd just gone like completely the other direction sure easy But like creating characters that are like so similar yet clearly distinct

[00:56:03] Great and he was great. Yes. I love Tony Hale the man is an is a capital a actor And he's not going to get the recognition for that, but he really that's you do it. That's true

[00:56:14] Well, that's it. We've reached the end. We might talk a little bit more about this depending on how the show goes We'll get a little bit more under our belt if there are things that warrant some discussion Thankfully for all of you. We reached the end

[00:56:27] We'll be back next week for a wonderful show of discussions on television as is our warrant for adam for donovan all soon saddle this dragon riding him on out To put eye on the fair countryside Make sure there's most pestilence out there

[00:56:40] Uh until next Tuesday. Thank you. Thanks for tuning in Um, just a very quick program note. I mentioned it at the top After next week we'll have a two-week hiatus So catch up on your favorite shows and movies and we'll do the same

[00:56:55] We'll come back and talk about it all Uh and adam is on threads and just popping off. So finding there Your threads are brilliant, dude. Are they? Yeah, I think I find them I find them very thought point interesting and like

[00:57:14] Fundy reading like I'll sit there and go, huh, I haven't thought of that I think it's a bit of the wild west still over there and people can actually still directly find things they're interested in without

[00:57:24] The barriers didn't and be thought yeah and be thoughtful about it. I uh, I had like a rather lengthy You-too discussion the other day going Good for you. Yeah, that's us people. Thanks so much. We love y'all. See ya or well

[00:57:39] You'll hear from us next week. We're good two-week break after adios