Why Watch 'The Pitt,' The Resort of Well Being in 'The White Lotus,' and Conversations in 'Severance'

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This week, regular listeners may note that I'm swapping Donovan with Adam.

All three of us will return as a crew soon, but today Adam and I will begin the no spoiler section with a discussion on the Max medical series the Pit, the return of the HBO series the White Lotus, and we won't say very much about Severance this week in the non spoiler section on the spoiler side, we'll talk about the White Lotus and its first episode back for season three and the sixth episode of Severance.

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Okay, as promised, I'm here with Adam.

But no, Donovan told you that at the top, Donovan is catching the big fish.

Donovan's got family, I think affairs happening.

That's fine.

Adam was absent last week with musical duties, not Sister Ray Davies, which you should go online and check out because that's going to be a pretty big thing this summer.

Sister Ray Davies, go check out, especially if you like shoegaze with a few twists involved.

You'll enjoy it.

Adam, I did this to Donovan last week and perhaps it's only fair to do it to you as the so called host.

I'm gonna give you a show I've been watching and open the floor in this non spoiler section for you to ask questions or talk about it because.

You haven't seen it so far as you know.

Oh, interesting.

This could be.

I have no idea what you're gonna say.

I just wanted to throw a wrench in things that would be crazy if.

You had watched it and I didn't.

Is it Mad Men?

No, I watched Mad Men.

It's this new show.

For some reason, YouTube TV now has a channel called AMC Stories, which I assumed was going to, you know, greatest hits the first weekend.

I believe it started early on a Sunday and I discover it later that day and Natalie says, oh, so you found the Mad Men channel?

As if she'd been like, dreading me finding out that this exists.

And they've just been playing it on a loop for like three or four weeks now.

So it is a Mad Men channel.

In a way, you know, like what you said.

I assumed, like Breaking Bad would come next.

The terror could be on there.

The greatest things they've done.

But no, it's just been so.

If you're ready to talk about Mad Men.

I am.

I'm there with you.

But tell me about this other program.

I'm always ready to talk about Mad Men.

I know I started watching the Max medical drama.

The Pit stars Noah Wy and a lot of other great but I suppose kind of unknown actors.

It was created by R.

Scott Gimmel who worked on ER on NBC quite a lot.

So this is going to make sense.

It's huge difference, huge contrast between the two shows though this one's set in Pittsburgh, it's on Max, which is.

Allows for entirely more gruesome scenarios.

And lastly it covers their emergency department at an hour at a time.

I love that the opening episode starts with the primary character, Dr.

Michael Robotovich.

I think his name is.

Everybody calls him Dr.

Robbie or just Robbie.

Starts with his shift at 7am that's the Noah Wiley character.

You strike me as a guy who does not dig medical shows.

What.

What makes you think that?

One thing is when I brought it up in our group text, you didn't really say anything, you didn't reply, you didn't buy.

So you have evidence.

I thought you were just inferring based on other personality traits beyond that.

So when I brought it to you and Donovan I assumed that neither of you are big into it.

My.

And I think it's because the same thing I am never pulled into medical dramas before.

It's because I associate them so heavily with er with Grey's Anatomy which would have been on when we were in college.

Those are to me more melodrama than drama.

It in.

In fact I don't know that I've ever watched a medical drama like ever.

Donovan in his.

In his reply says that he watched the Nick, which is one I wanted to watch.

So I think I've always associated him with this near soap soap operatic type of writing and acting that's been my.

My read on the medical drama as like a.

Like how do you avoid it being a cliche?

It's almost the nicest thing you can say about one is that it's.

It's not like most medical dramas because it seems to be the most closed set genre piece thing that you can do.

Like it's almost like oh it's a western.

Oh, it's a medical drama.

Oh it's a whatever like going to the doctor.

Why do I want to watch it on tv?

I don't that's funny, Adam.

I don't.

I mean, like the.

The Nick program.

I understood it was much buzzed about.

Yeah.

But I.

It was also on Cinemax at a time when nobody really had Cinemax.

I watched solid amount of the first season.

You did?

Yeah, I did.

Just because I was curious.

And I like a piece of historical fiction.

Uhhuh.

And it also starred one of my favorite actors, Clive Owen.

I mean, it was a good show, but one of the things that they're doing is discovering things that we take for granted now.

They're supposed to be these genius doctors who are living in this brutal world.

This was early 20th century doctors.

Right.

But it's still.

So.

It's just shocking how gruesome it is.

Yeah.

And I don't go in for the gruesome medical stuff.

Okay.

Like, even in.

Even mild stuff.

Like, we may talk about some this week with one of these shows.

Okay.

I don't.

I don't mind, and I don't.

I can't explain my brain here.

Violence that results in something gruesome happening, that's one thing.

But if it is a medical procedure being shown not too close to home.

There were two.

One show that I really enjoyed.

I.

I feel like Millennials.

If you want to start subdividing us, let's do one sub generation.

Could be the Scrubs generation.

Okay.

That.

That show was a specific brand of humor and kind of got eclipsed by its contemporaries and then later the derivations of that.

So, like, the Office ends up being bigger and then Parks and Rec and Community, all the stuff.

So Scrubs is not remembered in the way that I assumed it would be at the time, but the kind of oddball humor stuck out at the time.

And there was a.

It was more than just a setting.

You know, there was a medical component to it that they.

They leaned into some of the tropes occasionally, and I enjoyed that quite a bit.

And I watched House when House was at its peak, just because it was a fun, like, potato chip kind of show.

Exactly.

And I'm about roughly 10 years older than you.

Maybe just a little more.

Actually.

ER was on my television all of my teenage years and into college era.

It was in that crucial Thursday night slot after Seinfeld.

So I bet you remember it pretty well, even as a young guy.

And I can go way back and say General Hospital, which was a true soap opera in the middle of the day that my grandmother would watch.

That's what I've always associated medical dramas with.

Not so much the medical, but the Drama, and I would even say melodrama are so soap opera.

So I've avoided it.

I think for those reasons.

I always took it as cheap as flippant.

I do realize ER rose above the rest of broadcast TV at the time.

I do acknowledge that.

I think I was just too young to, to really watch it or sit still for a whole 45 minutes worth of it.

It just didn't cater to me as an early teenager.

I was out doing other things, watching Seinfeld and then off to do whatever.

But I'm so glad I gave the pit a shot.

That's the show we're talking about here on Max.

It is fantastic.

It's not that melodramalodramatic at all.

It's just too fast to be dramatic.

It's well acted.

The story happens between characters as they're treating patients in this trauma center.

So what I mean by that is you have to be a careful watcher because you have to read into the looks they give one another.

Maybe one doctor gives a nurse or a doctor gives another doctor.

And it's not the usual oh, they're in love glance.

It's a glance that they have history.

Maybe this guy doesn't trust another doctor for this or that reason and you just don't know yet.

I'm only four episodes in.

There are eight that are streaming.

It's a weekly episode, which also appeals to me.

Weekly series.

And if you don't like a specific scene or story, don't worry.

It changes so suddenly.

The camera kind of follows a couple of doctors around and it is so fast that a curtain will open.

They'll go in, try to diagnose a patient, talk to that patient, give those glances you're to read into them, and then they're off to another patient as they close the curtain.

And it's, it's at a neck break speed that fits our world quite well, but it also keeps you from being bored.

And, and everything I've read about it is that it is the most realistic medical show that's, that's been on.

How gruesome is it?

Oh, there, there are two that come to mind right now, and I'm only four episodes deep in that.

I mean, look, look away from the tv.

Gruesome.

Noah Wy is the primary character, as I mentioned, he's just crushing it.

I know he was on ER as Dr.

John Carter, but there's no way he could have played that character.

This character then he's nearly grizzled.

But as Paul Simon said, he's soft in the center.

And I could laud all of the actors, but he's the primary character and, man, he could carry a show.

I'm ready to see him in anything now.

I don't mention anyone else because most of them are actors who are.

Who give you the oh, yeah, I've seen them vibe, but no names will come to mind.

You'll.

You'll use IMDb a lot and appreciate their style and what they bring.

And here's the thing.

They could be on three episodes because they're in there for three hours, or they might be on one episode because they just got a stitch.

It's kind of a cool thing.

I don't know.

And I'm pray I'm talking about it.

You can tell I'm talking about it as a guy who's never watched medical dramas, because everybody else who's listening to this is probably saying, well, yeah, that's what they did on House, or that's what they did on er.

I mean, Dave Matthews was on an episode of House.

No, he was not.

He was a patient.

That's so funny.

There's some trivia for you.

It does lend itself to, like you're saying, bringing.

Bringing folks in and out of frame.

Yeah.

You want to use somebody just.

It's like a Seinfeld girlfriend.

Right.

They're not sticking around.

But then.

But here in this show, they could.

They could.

They could be in there for a trauma that lasts five episodes, and I think it's going to run about 12 or 15 episodes.

Like it's an extended piece of television, too.

Just.

That's rare these days.

It is rare.

It's got a more.

It's almost like it's blending everything you could possibly say that's good about broadcast along with HBO and melding the two, which is brilliant and why someone hasn't done it already.

This may be the most juvenile statement I've made about a show on this podcast, but I mean it when I assert that this show is about death way more than any shows are.

That maybe that we've covered.

That may be obvious is why I say it's juvenile, but maybe not.

I think that series that predate the Pit, like Grey's Anatomy or er, are more interested in character interactions and relationships, whereas this one is about death.

And I'm not talking about what's it like to die, what's in the great beyond, but no, the physical act of dying.

It is very interested in that.

The brutality of it.

Yes, thank you.

Yes.

Or even just that it's not that brutal.

Yeah, that it's.

It's a thing that's happening every day.

That's interesting.

I haven't thought about, you know, you mentioned Grey's Anatomy and shows like that being more about.

I don't know, I've never watched a complete episode of Grey's Anatomy but it seems to be more about who's hooking up with who and that.

Yeah, that sort of thing.

Yeah, that kind of drama scrubs dealt with death and I mean there's a few very famous episodes that are very moving but they're more.

What you're describing is like the emotional resonance if not what happens in the great beyond.

Like how are the people here affected?

How are they sorting out their own feelings about mortality and what's important, these sorts of things versus just.

Yeah, that's.

I can't think of the show that is just matter of fact about it there, ma'am.

It is very interesting.

Not so much of what happens right after you die, but what happens right when you lead up to it.

It's.

Yeah, I think it's a really good show.

If anyone out there is watching it, let me know what you think.

Which is a nice segue for me.

For us to talk about the White Lotus in our non spoiler section.

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He said in an email that taking it down has been a weekly staple for me for over half a decade now.

Dang saying.

And he says saying half a decade rather than five years makes it sound longer.

He says as a joke.

And I thought, wow.

I think the truth is we might have actually done this podcast a little longer than five years.

Well, it's.

It's weird because it's.

The pandemic was just last year.

Right.

2022 is going to be wild when it comes next year.

Yeah, we started this podcast in 2018, summer.

I think that sounds right.

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By the way, Mr.

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Jetta.

So white Lotus is where we're headed next.

Non spoilers for to begin.

Just, just in case anybody's wondering, what is this show?

Why is it by talking about it online.

It's an HBO anthology which resets every season.

Tells a tale as old as time.

Rich mostly white guests converge at a high class resort called the White Lotus and someone gets murdered.

Ain't that all vacations in it's funny.

That I just said I don't like the genre piece that a medical show usually provides, but usually when I say on this show, oh, it felt like a play.

It felt like a strong set piece with defined setting and, you know, characters running into each other.

And I.

That's a positive thing.

I usually love it.

So I realized the hypocrisy here.

But, yeah, I love the show.

I love White Lotus.

Okay.

I think it's a genius setup.

I can't remember if we talked about this on air or in text, but just.

They would have to do something profoundly disappointing for me to not continue watching.

Yeah, season one was great.

Season two was great.

The inertia and the intelligence of what they're doing, I feel like is going to carry them through for a long time.

You know, it's.

And then I think of other anthologized shows like True Detective.

Steep drop off for season two.

I feel like this.

This knows what it's trying to do.

Yeah.

Okay.

Well, we're gonna get into some of that a little.

It's.

The series, of course, is known for two things.

Bringing back a character from a previous season and starting with a mystery that shows us, like, the first bit of it, and then it'll back up a week or so to uncover how it all came to be.

Mike White is the writer and creator.

And I always had to mention this every season because he wrote and I think maybe even had a hand in directing the ultimate Saturday afternoon movie, School.

Of Rock, and is in.

And he's in it.

Yes.

Ned Schneebly, he plays him.

This is.

I always picture him in that movie.

When I picture who's writing this and pulling the strings and doing.

I mean, I know.

It's funny, isn't it?

20 years has gone by since that's a juxtaposition between.

Between what you expect as a.

From this writer and what he actually looks like.

Why.

And his crew go into these seasons, they know their exact backstory for each of these characters, is my feeling, to the point that it's.

I'd say this.

It's almost off putting.

Like, well, I'm watching last week's episode, and I'm thinking, wait, am I supposed to know who this is?

Is.

You know, there's a part of this story, I'm supposed to know what I miss.

The answer is usually no.

He just colors the pages way ahead of time, and you don't get to see what he's done until he's ready for you to, you know, to reveal.

It almost watches like reading Russian literature.

I realize this is like a profoundly pretentious thing to say, but when you.

No, no, you read the.

The Russian greats and one.

There's like a million names for everybody.

That's tough, you know, so it's.

It's tough to feel you're like who's talking to who.

And they're all usually presenting as well off and important and wealthy.

But that falls apart under closer inspection.

A lot of the time I don't.

In the meeting of again, the meeting of characters in, you know, I think about like Dostoevsky riding like gamblers gathering at a casino.

You know, like they're not on their home turf yet.

They're in a space that they're comfortable with that society has given them.

And the show.

I mean, again, you said it at the top.

It's almost a cliche.

Rich people gather, things fall apart, you know.

But when you were saying that about the.

You just know that he has a real depth of knowledge for all of these characters going in and you're kind of just expected to.

To keep pace with him right from the word go.

Reminded me of.

It's a very literary show in that way to also be a very sexy show.

Oh yeah.

It hems closely to the Shakespearean definition of tragedy.

You gotta have somebody of importance who has this internal defect of character that causes shit to go down.

Yeah.

The series does do a fine job of ensuring it's all revealed at once, but not at once.

It kind of doles out juicy tidbits of information and it does.

So unlike Shakespeare who will have a character just stand on stage and tell you everything.

Maybe an act or two in.

You have to read it on their faces in some cases this season.

3.

Pretty heavy on the southern folk here.

Parker Cozy's laying it on thick as a southern belle.

Yeah, exactly.

You wonder.

It's an ugh thing.

She's a very rich mom from North Carolina and she of course is a Tar Heel because she keeps saying it.

Her filthy rich husband is Mr.

Ratliff.

He graduated from Duke.

Their three kids carry the school rivalries to a point of contention.

And though this episode hints at some darker things amongst this five, we can't say too much because we're non spoilers.

More southern flair with Walton Goggins character as Rick, also in Thailand.

And you know, he's.

He's simmering in a place that's supposed to be known for relaxing you.

All we really know is that the White Lotus and its purpose of its first episode have you constantly determining what's their issue, what's that guy's problem, what's this lady's issue, what's their defect in.

A more intense way than the first two seasons, I think.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And maybe they're playing with our expectations a little bit.

You know, when say season I assume we're in.

It's okay to spoil season one.

You're trying to kind of figure out who's good, who's bad, who's going to die.

Yes.

And it's, it's the classic setup of we know someone we're going to encounter or someone has died and we're going to figure it out.

This one, you know, things eroded in that season and we're starting in a place this time where you immediately have more questions about every character, I think.

Yeah, if that makes sense.

It does.

And you're.

I think you're spot on.

They're playing with their own legacy.

I love for shows to go week for week, but I'm not so certain that this particular season of Lotus couldn't have benefited from a two episode premiere.

It to me you're, you're talking about how they're.

They might be playing with their own history but it felt lacking to me than previous years.

It felt not as, not as propulsive.

Although interesting.

What, what am I speaking on there?

I don't know if it's.

Are you.

Do you think you bring.

You know, the season one and two are like finished pieces in my mind.

Are you bringing an expectation of it to do more in one episode?

I can remember thinking about midway through this episode like where are you gonna color outside the lines of your template.

And I think maybe there's a bit of, you know, season two had more familiar faces come back immediately continuity of storyline as well as Aubrey Plaza who's man pretty major star power immediately.

And I mean there is star power in this one.

There you know, movie stars are in this but it.

That felt more.

And again I joked about Subdivisions of Millennials earlier.

It seemed like she had a really good year last year career wise and this was like oh, this is part of her.

One of our own ascends back to the heights here.

Tough to compete against the sizzle between Aubrey Plaza and Theo James last season.

A note for listeners as we approach the break that yep, as promised we're going to talk about SE and its sixth episode but since we discuss it episode by episode on a weekly basis I think we'll usually skip our general feel feelings about that Apple TV plus show.

Go watch It.

There's my general feeling.

Yeah.

You know, we're obviously on board because we're covering it.

Usually if we drop something, we've lost some interest.

So we won't put much in non spoiler sections for recent episodes of Severance.

Sometimes we might, sometimes we won't.

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Okay, we are now in spoiler section.

For those who need that reminder.

We'll kind of go in order.

We won't mention the pit here in spoiler section.

Since only Adam.

Excuse me.

Since only I have watched it.

I'm not sure if I sold Adam on the pit.

Did I sell you on it?

I don't know if I got the stomach for it.

I look away on those scenes.

Man.

We'll see.

The characters are so real.

I just.

I'm just curious what you would think.

But we are in the spoiler section.

We're gonna back up to the White Lotus and its first episode titled Same Spirits, Different Forms.

It's a kind of a fitting title.

Directed by the creator Mike White, this season has monkeys all over the place.

My God, are the monkeys.

You know, I talked about at the very end of the spoil non spoiler section.

I liked the episode, but I thought that because of the template it uses or may be playing with that this particular cast, or maybe it's the amount of time between seasons.

It's been two and a half years.

I just did not feel as invested in this one as an opening episode as I have in the past.

That's not to say I won't be in love with it, you know, in two weeks.

Didn't hook you.

Not quite.

Again.

It's tough to compete against Aubrey Plaza and Theo James, a goofy grandfather who can't remember who's flirting with everyone because he can't remember anything.

Exactly.

That was last season.

This set of rich bastards all felt like they could have been in any season of the White Lotus.

You know, they got their first world problems, some more concerning than others.

This particular White Lotus cast group of people might be more into wellness, which is funny.

That's a kind of a trend these days.

Wellness.

Yeah.

That's yourself is.

You think that's part of it.

Perhaps that didn't grab you as much that the first one.

First season, we had no expectations.

And it's these.

Yeah.

Beautiful shots of Hawaii.

Season two, you've got some Italian glamour, I guess, and just jungle.

Well, it's.

It's beautiful.

It is jungle.

And it's.

We're going to meditate and put our phones in bags.

And I'm into that as a viewer.

Sure, why not?

And we were in spoilers here, right?

Yes, sir.

The intro to this one, the setup, I think this is the best one they've done.

Now, that I agree with.

That was horrifying.

Yeah, that's what the word I was going to use was this.

You know, it makes season one seem tame.

It does.

Like, the vague idea someone's going to die is kind of like a polite murder mystery dinner party set up versus a mass shooting event.

I mean, this is.

It's almost like season one, you get the whispers of someone's gotten killed.

Season two, you get a gunshot or two.

And then season three opens with what sounds like a mass shooting.

And that is scary.

Yeah.

And to just follow one person in real time as they experience this and the juxtaposition of, you know, later in the episode, you find out this is the wellness hub for all of the white lotuses.

This is one of the premier places in the.

In the world.

And you have who you figure out as Belinda's son there doing his meditation.

He doesn't want to recognize the gunshots.

Finally he says, that's, you know, we have to move.

And then just all hell breaks loose.

So there's a tension to the whole thing, you know, like with the shots of the security guards that are armed and things like that that you think, man, things.

It's not just going to be kind of chaotic, like maybe someone overdoses or maybe something, you know, there's a suicide or something like that.

There's going to be a violent event happening.

Yeah.

Huh.

Belinda's the return character, as is often part of the template.

You know, she's from the first season, and she sees that she isn't the only black lady at the upper crust resort, and she gives this big noticeable hello to the other black couple.

And I was questioning, wait, should I know them?

Like, they spent a lot of time having her say hello that it took me a minute to say, oh, she's just noticing she's the only lady of color.

Or she's not the only lady of color.

Right.

As against they're playing all along with how she has to navigate a work world.

Like, we all have a work Voice, you know, in a way of conducting ourselves.

But now she.

We see that break a bit when she sees the lizard for the first time on the.

That was hilarious.

I almost wondered if they didn't tell the actress that that was going to be there because it seemed so well played by her.

It allowed for her Audi to come through.

Right.

Right.

But even when they show her where she's going to be staying while she's training and she realizes I'm living more like a guest than I am one of the staff.

I thought that was.

It was fun to see someone who has to be sympathetic.

The most sympathetic character in season one, kind of have nice things happen to them.

Yeah.

After you see the bait and switch of being offered to fund a wellness center that then gets pulled away.

And it's.

You kind of wonder how many times has this happened to her.

This is just something positive is going on in her life.

Here you get these characters.

You're used to thinking, all right, what's their problem?

I'll say this.

And I think this is my major complaint.

Which will go away in a few weeks or should.

The opener worked too hard to get me involved in the intrigue and not as hard to get me involved with the characters.

It was too much mystery and not enough.

Here's who this person is and why you should like or dislike or be interested.

I think that's fair.

And maybe the.

The drama of it is it's almost too much, too early.

It could be.

Yeah.

And then as you start meeting the characters, there is just not a lot of sympathetic energy.

That's my.

As well.

Yeah.

Pair that with them.

We get the Ratcliffe's first.

Let's just talk about a few of these people.

They seem to be in trouble with some tax issues.

Investigation around such issues from the Wall Street Journal.

That's.

Now they're the pure assholes of the season.

But they're not even.

I mean, they have the.

The daughter Piper.

Right.

Who.

Who could be decent, seems decent and is interested in this.

This Buddhist temple down the road and.

But then you've got dad, who seems like a total asshole, and mom, who is so medicated that she falls asleep at the.

The public dinner table.

Mom likes the pills.

She's into the pills.

Now Timothy, apparently is the patriarch.

I think that's his name.

Did he drop his Southern accent a few times?

Do you think it was on purpose?

I couldn't tell.

Their accents were.

This feels like a rare moment for us to just be complete experts on something.

Yeah.

They're very Bad.

Yeah.

Parker Posey seems like she's a better actress than they said.

I'm not so sure.

She's not from New Orleans or somewhere in the South.

Atlanta.

No, I think she's just a New Yorker.

Right?

That's a good question.

She should know better.

Born in Baltimore, so South.

Ish.

TD Wood would tell you that's the South.

But she.

She lived in Laurel, Mississippi, for a time.

Well, that's very south.

That's pretty.

Pretty south down there, almost along the coast.

She never quite loses hers, but it is so damn thick.

It's unrealistic or showy.

You know, it could be that she's always on the pills and she's just.

That's the way she sounds like.

And then their three kids don't have one at all, which is.

That's a generational.

That's kind of believable.

Yeah.

I thought that was of the things that they've done.

The fact, you know, taking her and comparing her to her daughter's way of speaking is.

Yeah, like you said, the generational idea of losing accent and trying to be more worldly and blah, blah, blah.

Does your accent thicken when you get around your grandparents?

I don't think so, but I observed that happen in other people.

Mine does.

When I used to get around my mom or dad or I'd be on the phone with them.

It was thick.

Another really disturbing moment.

Maybe as much as the gunshots that opened the show.

Was the Ratliff son sharing a bedroom and the older of the two, Saxon, does not hide his masturbatory exercises in front of his younger brother to the point that he hinted.

Or he asks if he wants to join in.

I mean, it's.

Dude, does he ask that?

He's like, what do you prefer?

And he's pulling.

Pulling it up as if to ready himself on his phone.

I thought he was just making polite conversation.

Do the monkeys symbolize incest?

Because I'm getting some big incest energy from older brother Saxon.

Every.

Everything that he does is disturbing.

And I mean, he seems like a sociopath.

Just.

Yeah.

I mean, he's maybe the.

He's commented on his sister's looks.

Right.

I'm not so sure that Lachlan wasn't checking out older brother Saxon when he went to the bathroom to Andrea.

This is immediately.

The Internet says, well, the youngest brother is gay.

That's fair.

He gives a look to a guy.

The pool.

Apparently that I missed that people noted the less gross read on the bedroom bathroom interaction is him looking at his Brother, like, are you seriously doing this right now?

That's how I thought.

That's how I read it.

And then I got to thinking about it more and I was like, well, older brother talks way too familiar about his sister being pretty good looking, should be having sex.

And then younger brother looks.

And I'm trying to piece it all together.

Is that.

Is that all of a piece.

Are those separate things?

Well, just.

Yeah.

In the immediate implication that he doesn't imply it, he just says it.

You shouldn't share a room with our sister.

That's not appropriate.

Why would that be inappropriate if something weird is going on?

And the way that his mom reacts when he.

What does he say something about.

He uses like, almost like a childlike term like genitals or something like that.

And she says, you're not supposed to say that.

And the way that she immediately puts her foot down on that in this, like, it's like they're in some sort of weird stuck in childhood kind of state.

And the whole family seems like with the accent, like they're stuck in Civil war era kind of North Carolina.

It makes you ask pretty uncomfortable questions about like, why is mom drugging herself constantly?

Did she.

Is there some weird relationship between one of the parents and one of the kids?

Is, you know, the sister trying to get younger brother to stay with her because she's the only sane one and trying to shield him in some way because she knows older brother is trouble?

Well, if any of that's true, it is perfect that they went to UNC and Duke because that's the tobacco road.

And if you've ever read Erskine Caldwell's Tobacco Road, that that vibe's prevalent in the novel.

Love that they brought the Southerners on to bring the.

The incest.

Yeah.

Thanks a lot.

Yeah.

Maybe you start with the idea of we want a.

An older brother to have the hots for his sister, and then you give him a southern accent after that.

Like, that form just follows the function there.

Right.

To be fair, the kids don't have the accent.

There's a great shot of the three kids, though, where they're sitting on a.

On a bench and it mimics the See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil of monkeys.

Yeah.

Continuing to list sex Saxons more than.

And you know, that name's so close to sex there.

Anyway, more than gross issues.

He.

He pays way too much attention to his sister.

And that is Arnold Schwarzenegger's son who plays.

And he's pretty good at getting.

Using choices that convey creepy, spoiled, rich.

He 100% is a frat guy I've ran into in a college town.

Yeah, absolutely.

So well done there.

I mean, he.

As I thought about episode one, again, he is the main thing that stuck with me.

Yeah.

I don't love that.

And that's saying a lot when you got Walton Goggins in the cast.

Yeah.

Who's one of my favorite actors.

Maybe you're not as into this one because season one we had Sydney Sweeney and Alexandria D'Addario and then Aubrey Plaza.

And now this frat boy is what's stuck in your head.

This is quite the downgrade.

Yeah.

Let's switch to Walton Goggins.

I brought him up.

He plays Rick, and he sure was looking woefully at a picture of the lady who owns the place.

Former actress and what looked to be Scott Glenn in.

In a picture with her as probably her husband.

You have to think that's an estranged father situation.

You think it's an estranged father.

What did you think?

I went obvious.

What do you think?

He kind of alludes to the fact that he can't go back to Australia.

Right.

Goggins does.

Yeah.

Rick.

That perhaps there's a criminal element to whatever he's doing.

Maybe he's looking to extort someone or.

All the way to the extreme end.

He could be a hitman of some sort.

Yeah.

Well, he's not.

He's not pleasant and chill.

To be there.

Being there is annoying him.

Yeah.

Smoke in the Ratliff's face.

He's.

Yeah.

Was kind of hilarious to watch because as that scene unfolded, this is.

This is good storytelling right off the bat.

Great acting.

That.

How did I end up sympathetic with the person smoking the cigarette?

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Like, that person's never right in real life.

Not.

Not when they're blowing the smoke in the face.

No.

Right, right, right.

You kind of clock the.

The Ratliff family and you're like, oh, yeah, I'm on the side of the guy blowing the smoke here, for sure.

Yeah.

He would be more of a fan of taking it down.

He's our audience.

The Rick guy would be more so than the Ratliffs.

But if that's Scott Glenn in the picture.

I do think it is.

That makes two people straight from the set of Bad Monkey, because Michelle Monahan, she's the somewhat famous American actress on vacation with two childhood besties, she's also from Bad Monkey.

Talk about some first world problems.

Those two had to go from Key west for a set of a show to Thailand for their Jobs.

I mean, brutal bra.

Yeah.

Michelle Monaghan.

I think it's Monaghan Monahan.

Her character's Jacqueline, and she's an actress of some renown.

And then the resort owner is a former actress there in Asia, there's this motif that White.

Mike White establishes she's pouring on some niceties to her buddy Kate and her other palace, Lori.

Laurie's played by Carrie Coon, and she's like, you know, oh, I brought you here.

Don't pay for anything.

I'm treating you.

And the other two are just seething at this idea that she's successful.

They all hate one another.

That's.

That's the immediate read on it, for sure.

And then it kind of gets a little more nuanced when you realize that Carrie Coon's character, Laurie, is the odd man out in the whole thing.

Yeah.

And she's pissed.

Is she pissed or does.

There's, like, a certain feeling of desperation and moments like that when she goes in her room and sees him and just, like, loudly yet quietly sobs.

I don't know.

But everyone online feels like that's.

That's the relationships.

Those are the relationships that will break apart at the seams and create the event.

That seems obvious.

It seems too obvious.

Right.

Goggin's doing something crazy.

Feels.

I mean, there's.

Chekov has a gun strapped to both of those security guards, you know.

Yeah.

You know the other thing that could happen, A monkey could get hold of one of those guys.

Dudes.

That was my thought.

The other motif is the monkeys.

What are the odds that the gunshots were just monkeys who've had enough?

Oh, they got organized.

They're viewing.

You know, we don't get Tanya and the gays trying to kill her, but she died anyway.

But we do get her husband, ex husband, whatever he is now widower Greg.

There he is.

And he's got a new young girlfriend.

Apparently it's a thing for this resort or even Thailand itself, to have bald men with hot young girlfriends to the point they have a nickname for them.

I'm not good with remembering things with the White Lotus because of the stretch it takes to film these.

But Greg was never fully shown to be active in trying to get Tanya killed.

Right.

It was just heavily alluded to.

Heavily granted.

Implied.

And you.

You never know if he meets her in season one and it's a crime of opportunity or if the whole thing was orchestrated in some way.

But he's living off her cash, isn't he?

Right now seems to be doing pretty.

Well because they're not staying at the White Lotus.

They live or have an extended stay up the hill, right?

Yeah.

And Belinda's gonna recognize him.

She knows him well.

That's been discussed online this week.

This.

This person that she.

Did they meet in season one beyond, like a.

An interaction that she would have had with guests a hundred times a week.

But she worked for Tanya.

Did that relationship extend beyond season one?

That's a good question.

It's one for the Internet.

It does seem like that they're on a crash course to recognizing each other and to maybe questions being asked.

We would think that Belinda would have knowledge of what happened in Italy.

How this resort has continued to convince people to come visit based on its.

How's the Better Business Bureau not been brought in on a White Lotus?

Well, they're clearly not researching because they, you know, TripAdvisor did not convince the Ratliffs or tell them, you know, he brags about, I find all the best spots and they try to take their cell phones and it does not go well.

Greg's appearance makes him look a lot more haggard than he seemed the last time we saw him.

He's.

Is he missing that cowboy hat just a little too much, or is he dying?

In Italy, we saw a picture of young Greg, cowboy hat and all.

One read is he could have actually been sick and that what he says is going on.

He does say that.

And he coughs a lot.

And then his cough kind of goes away.

Two would be that he has been avoiding law enforcement in some way for some months.

Hey, he works for the.

For the Bureau of Land Management.

Thank you very much.

Maybe he's been let go.

Elon fired him and he went to.

Went to Thailand.

I can't help but look at him and think he's gonna try to throw a football over a mountain.

You think that's coming from Napoleon?

His role in Napoleon?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, speaking of monkeys who've had enough, we'll discuss the sixth episode of Severance titled Attila.

If I may, I'll start with an email.

We got an email in and I think, what, two emails this week?

Something like that.

Second week in a row we've had either two comments or two emails or both.

This one's from Ben Stiller.

This one's from Ben Stiller.

We must be doing something right.

Then again, emails sometimes can.

You can turn that caps lock off.

Ben.

This is actually from Tim Hamilton, one of our friends from SETI Bimco podcast.

He writes.

Enjoyed your talk about severance, episode five.

So he's Going to be addressing something that you weren't here for, Adam.

So we'll blame Donovan.

Okay, that sounds great, he says, but.

I was talking aloud to the computer that you didn't talk too much about how Mark having sex with Haley.

Not any.

Not realizing she was Audi Heli would really mess with his head.

It was Irving who figured it out after all.

If this happened to me, I feel it may shatter my self image and my confidence in my own intelligence.

Does he like Audi Heli better?

Mark's our avatar, maybe our hero for this first season.

But now I feel like Irving, Heli and Dylan are more so I like Mark a little less and less.

Well, Mark turned out to be a baddie.

Plus you didn't mention the last line in episode five.

That line suggests Mark's Audi could kill someone.

I cannot believe that Donovan neglected his duties to such a degree that this email.

Oh, I forget so much week to week.

I'm so happy.

Happy listeners are patient with us.

But yeah, those are not gonna happen on my watch.

Well, I appreciate the email because that those are excellent points and I do like to use them here in our podcast.

But I don't know that Mark will.

Will become an antagonist.

That just.

It feels as though Lumen itself has that very well handled.

Will he become a tool of Lumen?

I don't think so.

But there's other ways to become a bad for the show.

I think that those.

That was a pretty prescient email to come before this week.

Yeah, we can go right into this week because we're in spoiler section.

So what do you think?

That was one of the central action points, right?

That Mark and Helly figuring out how that has affected them.

You know, he finally admits what happened.

But you also see Audi Mark not behaving in like the most stand up way or the most consistent way with how he has behaved in the past.

You know, he's kind of a jerk.

To his sister, but he was under duress.

He was under duress, but he created.

Here's someone who wants to help him and he's keeping her at arm's length and kind of acting impulsively.

And I think you see more darkness in him than has been shown so far.

You know, season one, it establishes this is a depressed widower.

Yeah.

But I think there could be more to it.

And it made me think of another Apple show shrinking, where you're kind of wondering all along, you know, there's been a driving accident of some sort, who's responsible for what here.

I feel like Mark's darkness, especially in this episode, is just brought upon by his circumstances.

It's not so much that he's going to become some worse version of himself.

I mean, he could, but it's because of going through this process and it's just not.

Yeah, he's scared that he could die at any minute because that's what happened to Petey.

I think that there.

There's.

There's folks making all kinds of theory posts and videos out there, and one that I saw, you know, they're also playing with, with Bert and Irving, the idea of resets.

And this is something that Helena also threatens Coble with.

Maybe we need a reset.

Yeah.

Early this season.

Is it possible?

Because they can clearly control brains if you're at Lumen or not.

Based on the overtime contingency, could they possibly be screwing with the Audis as well in some way?

I think so.

Yeah.

I would think so.

When they have the con.

I know we're really flying all over the place here.

When Helena confronts Mark at the Chinese restaurant.

Yes.

I feel like there's this.

A series of very intentional things that she says.

Okay.

Like saying Hannah as a mistake.

He corrects her to.

These are all things that they're gauging.

You have to assume that she knows everything.

Huh.

And that she's testing him as far as reactions go to all of this.

She was to see if he was.

Has changed any.

If he has been able to become his any.

So by saying Hannah to his Audi, that's a test, right?

Well, who is Hannah?

It's a test for her to.

For him to correct her.

To say Gemma.

Am I wrong about that?

I think that maybe, you know, some people have said, was his wife pregnant when she died?

Would Hannah have been.

And Helena even says so young.

You know, she means a.

An adult who was still youngish.

Or she could have meant maybe an unborn child that they were going to name Hannah or something along those lines.

I mean, obviously the show is set up to where you can read in a thousand details like that, but it.

Also tends to answer within a week or two.

It doesn't.

It allows you to speculate, but it doesn't elongate that speculation process.

It.

It does also do such a good job of burrowing in on what should be simple ideas.

I mean, the whole premise of the show is that you were split in half and one half goes to work and one half lives on the outside.

So we've had years at this point to make peace with this idea, yet they're still Milking that for new emotional terrain.

Yeah, they're doing great.

This episode was all about that.

Right.

Like how many times did the Burton Irving find each other on the severed floor where they both reset at times?

Do they pos.

If they can control Audis too, Do they have some history there?

Dylan is shown again him and his wife.

Any.

Dylan has more chemistry with his wife than his Audi self.

Yeah.

And now you have Mark flashing back and forth.

Heli to me is the only one when she is fully heli who is not.

You don't question her.

You know, I don't think you do with Dylan either.

You're just.

You're haunted by the idea of like this is the best version of this guy.

Yeah.

In a sad way.

Right.

Helly is completely her.

And she had.

We joked early.

Not joked, but said, you know what happens if you come in with a hangover?

And then it got a little more serious before they.

Before the sexual encounter.

What happens if somebody's pregnant?

Yeah.

And you're just suddenly.

You know.

Which is why they would want to control as much as they can outside as well.

Right.

But she has a great little rapid fire of dialogue about how much she hates her outy self for getting up every morning and dressing me like I'm a doll and sending me in here.

Do you remember that?

When did she say that?

It was early on in the episode.

She's talking to Mark.

No.

Just how much she resents this woman that he slept with.

Well, okay, let's.

Let's back up and cover some of these in depth.

Yet Mark finally does admit to sleeping with who he thought was heli.

He says this to Haley and Britt.

Lauer moves from acting that shows disappointment that it's not her to creep out to jealousy to pure eyes anger.

And that all happens in a nice four seconds.

There is.

Is it before that that she mentions I'm so pissed at being dressed like a doll.

It's either then or.

And I should have.

I should have pulled notes for this.

But when she's.

She's walked around and comes back to talk to.

To Mark again.

Yeah.

He's decided he's going to go find her and she's also coming to find him.

And they almost run into her.

She walked away and then took off her shoes and then sat down.

But the whole shoe thing, I don't know.

It was very.

I want to put that in there if you don't have to.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I don't have to read on the shoes.

Me either.

We get the return of Dylan's wife Gretchen for a visit.

And I failed to mention how great an actor Merritt Weaver is back in her first appearance this season.

Glad Riders brought her back.

So many opportunities for just endless fascinations between the two and she's very much more in love with any Dylan than any other version of her husband.

And he's smitten too and.

But she feels a lot of guilt for that.

It also brings up the idea that for Dylan specifically, you know, there, there is no.

This sounds brutal to say about somebody who has a family at home, but it's just as much that his Audi is working s as any.

And I think maybe he's suffering more than any of the other ones because he shows up, seems to pass his wife as she goes out the door for a night shift, is responsible for kids all night long, but has no sense of, you know, he's very good at that job.

But his Audi self gets none of the satisfaction of that, none of the pride in work.

And so all he does is pass his wife at the door, take care of kids, goes in, doesn't remember a thing, comes home and does it again.

So his, the monotony of that home life is, you know, not a bad thing if you were also getting purpose somewhere else.

Yeah, I guess that's the point they're trying to make.

Yeah.

The show loves to pair things.

It loves pairs.

This week it paired kisses and it had a hint that it won't end well for one of the Dylan's.

I suspect his Audi back on the couch is the one that's going to get the end of the stick.

But we get the kisses being paired.

It's, it's Dylan and his real wife of course, but it's his any kissing her and then Mark and Hadley kiss and then go on to have sex one more time.

Which makes you wonder who the.

What circumstance is going to produce the child that we all think is going to.

Yeah.

Be born.

You know, it's worth noting that Gretchen lies about not seeing any Dylan.

Yeah.

Due to a cancellation.

She lies about that's again for them to have this idea for so long to be presented with the severed concept and still finding ways to make me go, man, that is heartbreaking that, you know, here's somebody who a bit beat down by life and all of a sudden you find and get to spend time with like a youthful, less jaded version of the person you fell in love with.

Yeah, yeah, man, that's so cruel.

It's cruel to everyone involved.

I talked A few weeks ago about how I find it hard to swallow or wrap my head around the characters not feeling some semblance of connection to their Audi or any.

But here heli.

Well, Brit Lauer I suppose sold it to me.

She.

She paints this stark image of an innie and Audi being vastly different to the point of being another person when she, she got pissed off at her Audi.

Like I wanted to be the one to sleep with Mark, to kiss Mark, whatever it was.

And I'll say that their sexual encounter felt.

Felt less like a tent, more like the plastic they use for dead bodies.

It was not to continually return to Twin Peaks, but that plastic wrapped in.

Plastic, founder wrapped in plastic.

It's.

It was definitely a contrast to a fire lit tent.

Well, everybody all warmed up and yeah, that was.

Yeah.

Not as sexy.

A far cry from that.

Yeah.

I have a question for you.

You feel as though you've eradicated from yourself your childish follies.

That was a great scene.

I loved it.

I mean he, Milchick goes into that room to work on his evaluation stuff.

Right.

Like he's putting paperclips on repeatedly.

He eliminates reps in to do it.

Right.

Yeah.

Eliminates the fancy words somebody had rightfully pointed out.

You know I don't think the Ennis are the ones informing on him.

You know Mark doesn't tell the board.

Oh he didn't understand all the words that he said.

It's Ms.

Wong that's telling him.

Yeah.

You know all of this stuff.

Yeah, yeah.

Donovan and I speculated as much that it's her.

She's really ratting him.

Yeah, yeah.

Oh yeah.

I thought that it was fascinating that he is demanding to the man in the mirror.

There's that duality again to grow up.

Yet he's reverting to simple phrases.

He's reverting to more.

More childlike or easier to understand things.

Because they're playing a lot this season with showing us just how childlike the Enies are.

That's right.

Someone astutely pointed out.

And when I say someone in these, I don't mean a reviewer, I mean somebody on Reddit that I as I come through they said it's really clever to have this teenage girl watching over these adults who are actually children to drive home, you know, who do you hire to babysit your kids?

What's the old trope?

You Some, some high school girl.

16 year old high school girl.

That's right.

That's who's watching the kids.

There you go.

Speaking of Bert and Irv Giving them a visit.

Fields is Bert's husband, and he calls Bert Attila.

That's the title.

But they say they got that from calling one another hun.

You know, it evolved into that.

Field says it came after meeting a severed partner of Birch 20 years ago.

But Irv is quick to point out that the first severed office didn't open until 12 years ago.

Or it was 12 years ago.

So the timeline there is different.

And Bert unsuccessfully shuts down Fields from.

From drinking.

Fields unabashedly questions if they've had sex, unprotected sex, and even says, any should have love, they should have this going on.

Almost impressive.

He talked about it with his pastor.

Yeah.

So weird.

This was the Christian.

Yes.

Bird makes the first mention of any religion on this show that I'm aware of on how he got to Lumen.

He split himself so he could have a better chance, or one of his selves would have a better chance to go to heaven.

And I've been playing with the idea that this is reminiscent of Scientology, but yet here's a real mention in the show of religion.

It makes it feel even more dystopian that his pastor would be forced to have an opinion on such a thing.

You know, to accept as reality that human beings may have been able to split a soul in some way.

Yeah.

Do they.

When you split your consciousness like that, does it split your soul?

I still don't know if you can take anything said at that dinner at face value.

When they make Bert out to be that he is, he has done such bad things that he needs to hedge his bets by splitting his soul and creating a more childlike version of himself to act right in a, you know, contained environment.

It's a fun look at nature, nurture.

If you.

Whatever you are, whatever that every religion has a different way of understanding the you.

Your consciousness is split and put into a non worldly place in a way, a place that's hyper structured.

Would you thrive there versus whatever he's done going through the temptations of a fallen world.

If he has this Christian worldview and a Lumen worldview.

You know, it's odd that somebody that they have basically turned Lumen into religion, that somebody who is so deeply in their church world would be what seems to be like a foundational part of the Lumen process.

Right.

He's clearly got more to do with severing than he's letting on.

Right.

That's.

That seems the case.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Bert was falsifying his interest in chemistry With Irv, because I think his name's Drummond.

He was in somebody somewhere, as you know, Iceland.

The big guy, he's in Irv's house snooping around.

We don't see him break in.

We just get the very quick look at him looking through some files that we knows in Irv's house.

So did Burt.

He was watching him.

Did he lure him?

Did he invite him?

Yeah.

Get him out of the house.

Get him out of the house.

Go get him out.

Well, we'll definitely find out, I suppose.

Yeah.

I just.

I don't know that you can believe anything that was right said at that dinner.

It all.

It felt weird all along.

And even the way that it was lit, you know.

Yes.

Bert has a very like evil emperor kind of look behind him the whole time.

It's very dark, black behind him.

Discussing heaven and hell in front of the fireplace.

There's that image.

Yeah.

Well.

And we know that Irv has been reset Right.

At work, that he used to work in other departments but has no memory of it.

Okay.

Is it possible that him and Bert had.

Yeah, yeah.

That idea of would, you know, if Mark and Helly were just two severed co workers and it wasn't the person who's running the company, if they bumped into each other on the street, would there be some spark?

You know, does our consciousness carry over?

And they kind of seem to indicate that it might at that Chinese restaurant.

Even though they're having this pretty.

Becomes a pretty intense conversation.

Yeah.

Where they're kind of fact finding on each other.

Before we move on from Irv, I.

Will say I want to.

I do want to circle back to that.

Okay, go ahead.

I'm getting to that.

They still have this moment of kind of joking around and like easy chemistry with each other that's kind of undeniable.

Even though they being Irv and Bert.

They being Helena and Mark at the Chinese restaurant.

But then to support the idea that maybe Bert and Irv fell in love multiple times on the severed floor and were re set in some way and that Fields knows this.

Huh.

Again, it's.

It's like a.

A mirror to Dylan and his wife's situation.

Right.

How do you.

How do you deal if this person keeps finding this guy?

Huh.

In this world that you don't have access to, what do you make of that as this person's partner?

Kind of a little comment on soulmate or something.

Right?

Yeah.

Britt Lauer.

This was her episode, if you ask me.

When she does follow Mark to the Chinese restaurant or appears there she presents herself as this affable, flirtatious boss and not a steely head of lumen as we've seen her in all these other meetings.

Of course, she it up by calling Jim a Hannah.

Now, is that a purposeful fuck up?

If so, it could be.

To check on, is this truly his Audi?

Has he changed?

Is he doing something at home?

Great dichotomy too, that the set for the Chinese restaurant is so much in blatant contrast with the office spaces.

It's so dark in there, you almost had to lean in to see what was going on.

And usually when they share a frame, it's just white and, you know, so bright on the screen.

And then you get the Chinese restaurant there and it rattles Mark enough that he wants to go whole hog at home with this lady.

And I never remember her name, but I don't think she's a medical professional.

Before it's over, Mark's on the floor and he, you know, I'm no doctor either, but he looks bad.

Something, something is not going well.

And that's when his sister comes in.

Yeah.

And we talked about how he's, he's, he's really kind of mean to her, but he's also going through some shit in that.

But he's moment he's.

To me, he's been mean to her by excluding her from this.

Right.

This is the one person in the world that you get the sense that they are very close for, even for siblings, you know, maybe that they're.

Some people have inferred some trauma bonding maybe from their childhood that they are protective of each other.

Are they twins?

Now that would be funny.

Another idea of splitting.

Yeah.

Another compliment of the show.

But to exclude this person who is the only one who's consistently had your best interest at heart.

Right.

I mean, people in trying circumstances and not trying circumstances drive people away who are close to them, but obviously he's going through it and this would be part of it, but it's still like, come on, man, she wants to help.

Unless we hear something else that it's probably just a matter of.

She wouldn't let me do this.

She would probably physically get involved and hold me, you know, restrain me and I wouldn't want to do this.

He knows that he's, he's gone with this idea.

Yeah.

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